Crisis for Carrick’s United? VAR Fails Again & The JJ Gabriel Saga! | Stick to Football EP 149

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Welcome back to Stick to Football, brought to you by Disney+, as Gary Neville, Jamie Carragher, Roy Keane, Ian Wright and Jill Scott discuss the fallout from the Manchester derby. The hosts unpack Phil Foden’s red card and the VAR error behind Erling Haaland’s winner before discussing Manchester United’s poor start to the season and reports linking 15-year-old academy star JJ Gabriel with a move away from the club. The team considers the role of the club, his family and advisers, and whether public attention could affect his development. Liverpool, Tottenham and Aston Villa’s poor starts are also under the spotlight. What has gone wrong and what should they do next? Next up, it’s Team Gary vs. Team Roy in the Super 6 predictions showdown! A fun Disney quiz and community questions close the show, as the panel discuss whether they believe in ghosts. If you’re looking for a sports event like no other, watch Max vs 100 on Disney+. © 2026 Disney and its related entities. 18+. Subscription required. This episode is sponsored by Super 6. Visit super6.skysports.com for your chance to win. Terms and conditions apply: https://super6.skysports.com/terms 00:00 Intro 04:42 VAR Offside Outrage 10:14 Foden Red Card Row 15:08 United In Chaos 24:04 Max Vs 100 26:26 JJ Gabriel Transfer Storm 35:36 Leaks Duty Of Care 39:42 Youth Money And Hunger 46:21 Spurs Striker Drama 48:04 McKenna In The Stands 49:49 Super 6 Predictions Game 58:28 Disney Age Quiz 01:03:35 Quotes Game 01:05:58 Rooney Ghost Story 01:07:28 Whats Annoyed You SUBSCRIBE TO THE CHANNEL HERE https://www.youtube.com/c/theoverlap STICK TO UNITED WITH WAYNE ROONEY ON THE UNITED STAND https://www.youtube.com/@UnitedStand/videos JOIN THE OVERLAP WHATSAPP CHANNEL HERE https://whatsapp.com/channel/0029VbC3WQvAYlUCoCqZgA45 SUBSCRIBE TO THE OVERLAP BREAKDOWN CHANNEL HERE https://www.youtube.com/@TheOverlapBreakdown SUBSCRIBE TO THE OVERLAP NEWSLETTER https://substack.com/@theoverlapnewsletter SUBSCRIBE TO IT WAS WHAT IT WAS…

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I don't understand how >> is that is that roy tea or is that car's tea? >> That's car's tea. So >> I've dictates you're okay. I made you're okay. Yeah, you're okay. We're okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> It's quite quiet. It's quiet. Remember before people used to come. [laughter] >> They don't come. >> Where is everybody caring? We used to have people come and watch this show. [laughter] >> N keeping the numbers down for a bit. >> Some butter please care. Absolutely. >> And a knife. >> Let me take that. >> Brilliant. You >> Yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Yeah. >> Did you get that in Mustique? >> Yes, I think. Yeah. >> Is it a turtle? That or is that turtle? >> Not sure. >> Is this Is that the logo for Mustique? A turtle. >> Have you been there? >> No. >> Nice spot. >> It's quiet. >> Is it in Where is it? Near the West Indies. >> Yeah, I think I flew to I think we flew to Barbados. Then you get one of them little sea planes. >> Oh, I got a sea plane this summer. Have you met that lad before? That lad who's taking pictures. >> Yeah, he's took some pictures of you know, right? [laughter] >> Very easy to give someone a bit when you you know them. [laughter] >> Doesn't stop you and you don't though, does it? >> Go on. Bring him in. Come on. >> Come on. You >> Yeah. Come here. And Back. >> You're You're on the show. >> Oh my. >> You're on the show. You've made sick to football. Get in. >> Who a guy? >> That was a compliment. It was come around here. Next next come around here. Tell tell everybody what you've just called him. >> Well, in a photo shoot and you know this better. We know each other before. He's done a few photos of this guy different things >> and he's always trying to get people to make people laugh. Aren't you for the pitch? You know, I thought I' I'd do it instead. >> So, I call him Andy Bham's love child. [laughter] >> I think it's the jacket. The jacket all >> you look good. >> How long you been a photographer for? >> 15 years on my own. 15 years. I worked for someone else for 3 years. >> Is it hard work? Like as in getting gigs and stuff on >> it was, but now because we've shot like certain amount of people, it gets easier cuz everyone trusts you a little bit more and it's good fun. >> I can imagine being quite a good gig that being a photographer. You go around. >> Awesome. He he had a go, didn't you? [laughter] >> In the Manchester United dressing room. >> Yeah, I took photographs. Yeah, I did some I thought Joe something take photographs of the lads. >> Well, portraits of them after it came >> naked. Why do the why do these minds go to sort of like ridiculous places? I thought Joe something because it was before we had a really a photographer and I thought Joe something you need to capture cuz you knew you were we >> so lads weren't really up for it but I should have took I should have stuck at it and took pictures all the way through. >> I mean you did all right, didn't you? In life did you Yeah. But girl, did you have you got the pictures? I've got a few. Yeah. >> Have you got any other game? [laughter] >> Have you got enough to put in a kind of a book or something? Did you take that? >> No, I don't think I took that many because I think the lads pushed back on me a little bit. See they bully you. >> I feel like you've had it. >> But would you been no Jews then in the dress? You have to get permission off United. Don't use them without the lads. I would >> But would you got permission? No, I didn't. I didn't think United. That's what I'm saying to you. You wouldn't have to use them. >> Uh maybe not. No. >> What was their camera back then though? Just like a little camera. I thought you just take pictures of lads like laughing with each other and stuff. That would be nice. >> No, film. [laughter] >> No, that's nice. You've always been Lollipops. [laughter] >> [ __ ] hell. >> He's done now. You're ming him up. He's done. >> Okay, he's done now. [laughter] Get him. >> Say bye. >> Yeah. Sorry. Anyone else? Oh, nice to meet you. I'm [laughter] off. Good to see you. Good luck with your show. Well done. Cheers. Cheers. See you again. Take it easy, mate. God bless you. Good luck, lads. Nice one. >> [music] >> You like that? It's not bad, is it? Nice green. [music] >> I do love green. >> I do love green. They say genius, pick green. >> Really? >> Well, I heard it in the film. Meet the [ __ ] But >> Jesus or genius or genius? >> Genius. [laughter] >> What's genius? >> Picks green. Like if you're a genius, greens attracted. You're attracted to >> Irish. Eh, >> I genius. Yesterday uh you know when they doing that Howard's web the >> Yeah. >> the goal the the Harling goal. >> Yeah. >> When they done that thing yesterday did what was that? >> Yeah. I watched it. What you when they were doing all the camera they kept saying genius genius genius. >> What? >> What on the >> in the in the VA? >> Have you not watched it all? >> I have. Yeah. I've watched >> Yeah, I heard him saying that but I don't know. Was he just saying that's good? That's good. >> The line when the lines run and stuff like that. >> Yeah, the automated systems probably called that. Yeah. You know, I thought that we by the time we started it would have been would have been gone, died down. But I just think that the amount the the the enormity of the mistake. This is not one where you think, oh, people say, oh, not that again. This it should be that again. It's a terrible, terrible mistake. And it's the law that they should know. It was like when you listen to it and you're listening to them talking about it, um, they're not even hardly mentioning Fernandez. No, he's not touched it. He's not. He's offside. >> Yeah. >> Interfering. I got racy from it. God was how it was almost the biggest thing was >> go quick. It's like >> quicker. Keep going. >> We need to get the game start. We need to go. We need to It's like up. >> Have you seen how panicked they are with when die >> they have to go back to die whether he cuz they just we can't and then as soon as they realize he's not offside like up quick. They should be taking the time. >> You go back to the to the Arsenal one with Sunderland. >> You know we say hang on a minute let's watch it because like how's he fall over that way? Why is why why is concert falling over that way? You know what I mean? So he's pulled him that way. >> No, that was a penalty. >> What? Don't mess about [laughter] it. You know, you think to yourself, have a look at it. So I was in P. He's pulled him round >> and you can see it. That's what it's for. But the madness is they took ages and then still got it wrong. >> Yeah. >> Unbelievable. >> Do you know Howard Web's explanation that he got so focused on Harland? >> Yeah. >> They almost I mean he said went down a rabbit hole, didn't they? I I you can do that in life sometimes, can't you? When you're focusing on something, maybe one person you know your thing, Roy, when you say you're focusing on the hand up here, but it's the hand down here. [laughter] >> Look at that hand. Look [laughter] at that hand. >> Yeah, but it's true. Sometimes you're focusing on the thing that's staring at you and all of a sudden you're missing. >> Gary, the main thing in their job is to focus on bam, what they've got there. There's no excuse. >> Right in the middle of the G. >> Come on, man. >> I felt sorry for years when they wrote all the rules on the thing. I couldn't even look. It was so long winded. the laws. But it was so >> you know when it when it came up the laws in that jail when it came I was thinking okay but then it came to the one where it says if you're in that's the only one that you don't even need the rest of them just show that one that in itself them guys [snorts] them guys who in V and they shouldn't be >> but imagine the United banners that side of you >> you must be going but he's obviously definitely off you it was a bit tight >> so imagine the United must be going he is off whatever but everything else is going on He's clearly he's this he's two or three yards this side of me. He did make a late run. He was stood in there >> and still to get it wrong. >> And again, Gary, when when you said probably have to get an apology, bang on. >> Apology came. >> Apology is no good to United. >> Absolutely. It's just in you know what it's insulting. >> It's an it's an insult to apologies >> and then they'll be stepped down for a few games. That's no good to United. Big huge moment. >> No good to Carrick. >> Cuz as bad as United were and as poor as they were, you still take the point, don't you? You just you still want to lose a derby >> game, >> but to give for that goal to be allowed. >> Why was you know in the buildup Martinez why when he was left 2v1 Dogu runs straight there was load I was like stuff like that there was loads and they think about Michael Carrick and stuff like that. You can't stop someone like that is basic. You don't go from left back to run across. >> He made you he made a mistake at left back to the rectifier and just ran right. >> When you do that what when you're 9 10 years old like I was like Martinez should be mad that he's >> but the madness is when the ball comes in they actually defended well. They obviously were brave enough to hold that line. I was 2v1 at that back. >> But you put yourself in their shoes of defenders. You can see him stood in there. You go he is off. He's in the middle of the goal is that he's definitely offside. That must be that. Obviously the players got interfere after the game and they're clearly frustrated but going that's not even as you said don't worry about don't worry be the goal is he stood in the middle of the goal is he interfering with play absolutely >> so what's what's going to happen with this because like if I'm man United I feel totally hard done totally in the f totally hard done by >> see United got the benefit a few years ago right when Rashford got the winner we have we done that similar similar yeah >> we remember does that mean what we're going to do we're going to going to just equate it up to what it >> no no of course not too I'll make a ride that help that could be that could have been. >> Do you reckon are we talking about decisions more now than ever? >> Yeah, >> feels like >> we've just got better angles and more in we've got more. >> It was still human error. It's still something decision. >> I think because we've got the I mean I'm saying if you watch that Howard Web thing yesterday we're seeing graphic detail of exactly what's happening. We would never see that before would we? So the more we see the more we're going to analyze it. I mean it was a bad decision was it? It was >> that's human error then that was human. Like you said Roy there's how many of them in there? Three. I I think I can understand one player, one person getting distracted going and just focusing on something as you said. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> But somebody else must go hold on to it. >> Yeah. >> You have that kind of system V don't almost like supposed to be almost you're getting involved in it and almost almost stood back, you know, cuz you could hear the panic in his voice, couldn't you? In turn, >> imagine but imagine being a referee. >> So it's a big game. >> He's the ref the linesman referee's assistant gives it offside. >> Yeah. And then there's all this whether people are getting bogged on by the hand. Was he offside? Whatever it might be. >> Imagine the pressure on the referee. He's getting it must be getting instinct. Well, it has to be. >> It must be getting less fun for them. >> Yeah, >> I can imagine why. Basically now they'll be looking at it thinking, look, I mean, look, the reality of it is it's the top referee in the country managing the game on Sunday. He obviously can't do anything about the offside. That's out of his hands. He's he's just basically waiting for other people. But the first one, the Phil and Red Cat is >> his one. I I I I I obviously I was surprised at halfime. So sometimes I I I looked at the obviously in real time and I wasn't surprised that Falden was sent off for what he did because I always think when petulence like I I I did it against Matt Manaman. He's just a little or yeah I alluded to the Beex one where he just flicks on the floor. You do get sent off for petulence and sometimes you know Bruno obviously kicks through. You can see that but I I at Halime when you and Mike said it wasn't a red and that Bruno should have been sent off. It threw me that a little bit because on sometimes on commentary when you see the pundits in the studio go against oh I didn't see it like that you know I mean I didn't see it as um I think I I don't think it hard I don't think there was no aggression >> reaction you know the thing is like it couldn't have hurt him it could make a player go down the boot didn't touch you know what it's kind of like almost there and he moved it the side of his foot and you know what it was it was his move like his anger move >> but I think Bruno with the ball being over there from from from Foden Bruno's kicked him here and it's not like he's he's he's he's like moving. He he kicked him like that. >> Yeah, >> he had two. If Bruno was sent off for that, we'd be having the same hair going, "Oh, was it that bad?" You Well, it's >> Bruno. Bruno kicked off. >> It was a double yellow, wasn't it? Really? >> Yeah. Just give two yellows. Have you Have you ever been sent off? I mean, Roy, just going back to your red, have you ever been sent off where someone's reacted and gone down like that where you thought it wasn't that Ian Hart when I was at West Ham? >> He went down. Yeah. when I smashed the referee's room up, but that was a whole he went down easily. >> Honestly, it was like to the point where No. So, we went for that tackle. He's just about to clear and I just was a little bit late and I didn't even catch him. I think he he skipped it. But then you kind of >> He hardly see that quite a bit truthfully. >> Honestly, he skipped it, but like I know I didn't catch him. So then when I went over to the thing and he was [ __ ] rolling. I said, "What the?" And I was like that over him. What you I think me being over him might have been a I don't know. But then >> he came over. I can't remember who the referee instant red card I was and that you know when you do that thing where you watch people get sent off and they're chasing the and you say get off what I was chasing I was saying what the I couldn't believe it so hard done by sent off a chart in about 1999 uh >> I like called Pringle a big big center forward so all I've done is I've actually got in front of him so like a ball's coming to the striker's feet and you know you just get your arm across >> so I've got me arm across here >> and he's just gone >> the elbow Yeah, you got him. No, no, but like is it you see my reaction when the referee blows to the foul? My reaction is like going mad for the foul. >> Then he gets a red card. I'm like, "Oh my god, >> what the He's just like everyone was just like, you know, he's just >> I mean, I don't think Foden was like totally shocked it was a red card like that. But >> I just I mean, we we said about Gabrielle, didn't we on this show a couple of weeks ago about that? That's just my I can't have it. I just don't like >> How can you go on the floor? I don't I got his games but yeah I think how can you get up roll around and get up and be fine. Yeah, I agree. >> That's you know the thing is Jamie even even with that with Gabri with all of them now it's the game. >> Yeah, >> they're using it's the it's the game now. >> Did we not do that in our teams when we played? Did we not do that? Do we not roll? Look, I'm I'm going to look at Ro because obviously we're in a dress room. Did you go down win the penalty? Did we not roll around like embarrassed wouldn't you? I mean I think you'd be embarrassed. The one with when we the only thing he was told like if if you get touched in there you go over you go that that's what he was told but you weren't told to roll over. >> Do you think it affected Bruno the weekend? Well he I know that he was quiet when I deep d I did like >> I shouldn't have kind of maybe >> you know I get the impression that he's the kind of guy Roy that when he goes and thinks about you think [ __ ] I got him set up. >> Sounds crazy on Bruno though Roy he plays a pass to Dalo which to be fair I thought could have led to a goal and he plays a pass to Emma so he could have had two assists Bruno. Yeah, >> you mean the two moments United had where you think actually he's still but he was quiet for him in terms of just genally he made for unforgivable to miss that. >> He's hit it. Was he on side? >> No G was he definitely on side. >> He was on side. The thing is G you say he's well but G he's hit well in the goalies vicinity. He's got to be low down in >> you know what I'm I'm You know what the only way I'm missing that is if I miss the outside post because I'm not aiming for the keeper. There's too much goal over here. And Burmo isn't a clinical finisher, right? >> I think if he was on his left foot, he probably would have hit that quickly. >> He's an He's an instinctive. He just hits it, you know? He touches it and hits it. He's he's a he's an instinctive finisher. He's a scruffy finisher at times. He's not a He's not a >> clinical finisher. >> I think Kuna would have been better with it because I think he would have probably placed it. You know what I mean? I think he would have been better. >> Once I saw Kuna have a shot in that game, I couldn't believe when he had that shot. He's going for it when over there. >> But you know, United, but I know we go down there. We're we're on the outside looking in and I I was taking a lot in on u Sunday even >> going through the the car park and the >> there's something to miss at United isn't there do you know I think not just with the team this I know there's protest with the tickets and there's things going on the fans weren't happy obviously with the >> they're right as well they're right to be as well the fans >> the transfer during the summer you know players coming out going there's definitely something to miss there I know there's moments if he scored that 1-1 you take it whatever >> there should be punishing something There's something to miss with that group and that club. >> You know, when you look at the group, when you when now you say >> on a top to bottom right, >> this is what I'm saying, Roy. When you look at the the whole of the man with Inos, let's look at Ino and the other I looked at their like they got Luzanne. They loan in Switzerland last place. Nice last place. You look at Man United and everything going on at the moment, chaos. The women's team, everything chaos. It's it's chaotic at United at the moment. >> When you look at what's going on at United, it's chaotic. And the thing is you look at you think because I played against the great United and and even my man was saying the other day, Rosco was saying to me the other day, "Oh, you're you're just stuck in that United. You can't move out of it." And I said, "For some reason, no, I can't." But that >> Well, you have to that's something for you to compare me to. Don't >> compare. Yeah. And that's what I said to I said, "Yeah, but that's what I compared them to cuz that's the standard. That's the levels they got to." And now you're right to say it, Roy. Something's happened. >> This episode of Stick to Football is brought to [music] you by Disney Plus. We had our opinions last year, didn't we, on whether Michael would get the job and the fact that the players were brilliant, weren't they, for the last part. Are we seeing the players just drop off that 2 3% from where they were at the end of last season or is it just is that unfair this this early on? Are we seeing them just slightly just being a it just it just feel they're not at this they're not at the speed and sharpness I don't t