"WORST RUN CLUB!" Rory Jennings RIPS INTO Man Utd's Board after Lisandro Martínez's OUTBURST!

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talkSPORT debates whether Man Utd are the worst-run club in the country as Rory Jennings tears into the board, with arguments over Lisandro Martinez's outburst, Michael Carrick, and fan protest

The show asks whether Manchester United are the worst-run club in England. Rory Jennings points the finger at the Glazers and the hierarchy, while the host argues Michael Carrick is costing points; callers, Jamie Carragher, and Rory clash over Martinez's public criticism, fan protest, and whether a new manager could fix anything. The broad conclusion is that ownership is the root problem, but there is disagreement over how much change a manager or a player outburst can force.

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We have to start Rory talking about Manchester United. >> Yeah, we do. >> And I knew that, you know, not just because of being on this show this was going to happen, but it's the talk of the town, you know, with all the stuff that's happened with Manchester City, with all of the stuff going on with the Chargers, etc., etc. I know you don't like he wants to talk about the football. Um, Manchester United always find a way find a way to sort of uh wrestle back control sometimes in the media. And of course in light of what Landre Martinez has said, um there's been a lot of talk about Manchester United in the last few days. We'll talk about a bit more about what he said a little bit later, but in terms of Man United and the worst run club in the country. Is that a fair is that a fair statement or is that is that incorrect? >> Yeah, I think it's I think it's fair. I think it's fair when you think about the size of the club. I think there are a lot of clubs that genuinely will think that their club are that >> Yeah, >> there there are a lot of there are a lot of clubs and obviously there are some clubs that have gone out of business. They are certainly contenders. If you look at the plight of a massive club like Sheffield Wednesday, if you look at the fact that that leads United were out of the top flight of 16 years, there are there are sadly many examples of clubs that are run so poorly. But I think Manchester United are certainly up there certainly in the conversation and probably the front probably the front runner for the worst run club. the mistakes that are made when what should be for Manchester United, you know, if you just if you think about what you need to do in order to make a successful football club, Manchester United give you all the ingredients. It should be the easiest club to run. You have the infrastructure, you have the history, you have the stadium, you have the support, you have the everything that you need in order to make a a good, efficient, successful, winning football club. Manchester United possess it all. And yet, for some reason, they seem to make a pig's ear of it time and time and time again. >> Yeah. And the reason why is because the ownership um at Manchester United even like we'll get to in any in a second, but the ownership in terms of the Glazer family >> and what they've done to this football club um absolutely put it right at the top of the list for me. Uh and and I guess there are a lot of other teams that have had their problems with owners over the past. You know, you look at Spurs fans most recently, but they've started to change strategy now and spend big and they're they're trying to go into a new dawn, but up until very recently problems their owners. Look at Chelsea in recent years with Clear Lake and Todd Bowley etc. There's a big problem there. But Manchester United's always is always for me >> bigger problem that because of the size of the club and how long they've allowed that club to decay and rot and have this huge dark cloud, this huge storm that's constantly over it. And when you look at the turnover of managers, the turnover of players, the wasting of money to the point now, speaking of money, Manchester United don't even have money like they used to. It's and the debt that the club is in it's 100%. >> I think that's the difference isn't it like you know obviously we know what happened to Blackpool. We know what happened to Swindon. They've had some terrible owners and the club have been like run to the ground >> but it's very difficult to make a success of Swindon. You know they've been in the Premier League once. It's not easy to do that. I think when they were there they conceded over 100 goals. It's not easy to make a success of Blackpool with Manchester United. I think the reason why it's such a stark example of what of how detrimental an owner can be is because it's just not what it should be. It should be a successful example >> to the rest of the league of how to run a football club. >> Everything is there. All of the all of the monoliths that you need in order to make a successful football club. You think about do you have a big stadium? Yes, we do. Is the stadium in disrepair? Yeah, absolutely. >> But why has it happened? Because of ownership. >> But you have it. You have it. You have you have the foundation of being a winning machine. You have the attraction of being able to woo players. You have the strength at end and when that's in full it's one of the most glorious sites in world football. And yet for some reason it just hasn't worked. And some of the decisions made look sometimes sometimes I think they've made good decisions that or at least at least rational decisions that haven't gone their way. But I also think that some of the decisions along the way have like just going really basic with it. How's Luke Shaw still the starting left back for Manchester United? >> Exactly. >> It's just absurd. It's an absurd. Anybody with any understanding of what was going on at Manchester United would have gone. I'll tell you what they're going to do. I guarantee you what they're going to do the second that the referee blows the fulltime whistle the final game of the season or certainly after the World Cup. They're going to go and buy Lewis Hall. That's what Manchester United are going to do. They're going to throw their money around, throw their might around. They've got momentum. They've got momentum. They're back in the European Cup. At one point, it felt like a really exciting project under Carrick. they're going to make the most of that. They're going to go and sign Lewis Hall. No, they're not. They're not going to do that. And they're not going to sign anyone. >> They've diminished it in within months. Um the the good work that Michael Carrick did um last last year in in the January to the May picking up, you know, a lot of points, only losing two games um against what leads and Newcastle off the top of my head. >> Beat beating Arsenal, beating Chelsea, beating Man City, right? >> And and yeah, you can talk about new manager bounce, etc., etc., but he did his job for that remit. And yes, there's failings with Michael Carrick now at the moment, but the feeling in the fan base really feels a bit different this time. Usually when we get sort of two out of nine, two wins out of nine and the fans are frustrated, etc., etc., there's usually a calling for the manager. This manager's clueless, get him out, this, that, and the other. Now it doesn't feel like that. Now it feels like, forget that, actually. It the problems are so much bigger than just one guy in the dugout. Um that that we're in all sorts of trouble. Let's get to the phone lines cuz that's what this show of course is about. Um we do want to hear from you. Make sure you guys call in uh 03717234 um to get your views um and we will get you uh get onto the phone line. Um and you know what Rory, another thing that really frustrates me now as a Manchester United fan where I just feel empty is you know when the short list start to get drawn up so okay looks like we're heading towards bad results. It looks like we're really struggling to stem this bleed. Michael Carrick looks like an what would inevitably happen. He's not going to win enough games, etc., etc. You start drawing up a list, start going, you know, there's noise about, you know, Antonio Conte has sort of earmarked the job. There's giants out there who've lost their identity. I want to put it back. You know, Manchester United need to go for Una right now. He's going to fix it. You know, uh, Julian Narisman, you know, Eddie How's free. Drawing up the list. >> I don't care about the list. Like I know I know you might be able to reason with me but I'm telling you >> it doesn't matter what manager we have >> I believe that under this ownership and under this guidance or lack of the same problems will keep happening. >> It matters honestly that isn't quite true because whatever you want to say about Inos and this isn't me defending Inos by the way but this point is 100% true. Whatever you want to say about the the recruitment strategy the lack of signing a left back the reason that Hull beat Manchester United isn't because you didn't sign a left back. The reason Hull beat Manchester United is because they were better coached. They were ready for the game. They were fitter. They were more up for it. And a lot of that comes from Michael Carrick. So yeah, I don't think Inosios are doing themselves any favors. I don't think Sajin Rackliff has covered himself in glory at all. But Michael Carrick is costing you points. >> Yes. >> Antonio Conte, that's the name that you brought up. >> I can't understand why Manchester United fans aren't saying do everything that we can to bring it. >> It ends. It ends with winning a league title. That's how it ends. >> No. Do you know what? And you know why it doesn't? And I'm glad you said that cuz you know why it doesn't? Because of the same people that I just mentioned. Because of because of Omar Brad, because of uh Jason Wilcox, because of the incompetence. Do you know what will happen if Antonio Conte comes to this club? He's going to say, "Okay, what's the road map? I need this, this, this, this, and this. And I also need this player out, this player out, this I need turnover. I need I need to construct what I we can get Lewis Enrique tomorrow, mate. >> It wouldn't make a difference. >> It would it would it wouldn't be able to win the league. You wouldn't be able to win the league. Certainly you certainly acrew more points than you've accured so far. >> That's but that's like you you certainly do that. So that's a different story. >> So in terms of elevating the club that's you you are we hit the same wall we always hit >> but the reason why the reason why I think a manager like Antonio Conte like Enrique is not possible but Antonio Conte is because you bring a manager like that in I think everything changes. I think Antonio Conte has won three Skid Foss in a row. He's won he's won a Premier League title. He's won an FA Cup beating Manchester United beating Jose. No, but the second that Antonio Conte is there, say he were to go wild in the way that he did at Tottenham. >> Yeah. >> I don't think that Will Cox and Barada >> can ignore it. Like you see with Amarim, Amarim didn't have a leg to stand. So when Amarim goes mad at Ellen Road, who are you sort of thing? >> Yeah. When when uh even with Michael Carrick, Michael Carrick's not going to go mad. Like part of his part part of what makes him a good Manchester United manager is that he's calm and tranquil. >> It's also part of what makes him a bad manager. But anyway, >> yeah, >> he's not going to he's not going to upset the apple cart. he's not going to like point the right fingers at the right pe the right people whereas I think Antonio Conte yeah he might he might >> detonate >> he will >> he might imp he might combust >> he'll sit there going Jason >> but maybe Manchester United >> who is Jason who is Omar in terms of these guys in terms of getting yourself back to where you feel like you belong and even I will concede back where you belong >> I think it might need to happen it might need to go mad it might need to be raised to the ground before it can be built up again >> let's get to the phone lines let's speak to Manchester United fan Ehab Um yeah, good evening my man. Um what what what are you saying on this? Are we are we the worst club worst run club in the country? >> Good evening boys. How are we? >> Yeah, very not too bad mate. Not too bad. >> Yeah. Well, yeah, I think we definitely are. Like I don't know how many times we can go through this process of changing managers and so on and so forth. But I don't know why. Like I see online all those fans protesting about the ownership, but we've got to hit them where it hurts. M >> like we've got to empty the stadiums. We've got to stop supporting it. But my point was are we too big of a club to have a walk out and have an empty stadium. That's a really good question. Like >> do we have too many? Like there's no problem with tourists at the end of the day that generate the money. I don't know where it goes, but probably guess. But I mean, are we too big of a club to have an empty stadium and do this? >> Like we get a couple thousand here and there, but I don't know. What do you guys? >> No, I think I think it's a really interesting point because when you see clubs on the continent, I think Latio have done it recently, you know, they just walk out, won't won't be there. And yeah, you make a good point. I I do I do think look, if you give your season ticket in tomorrow, if I I got a season ticket, if I if I cancelceled that season ticket tomorrow, 100% it would get snapped up within seconds. And I do think the only way to make a a huge huge impression or impact like you're saying there is for everybody to walk up. I do think that the club as big as Manchester United, it's going to take an awful lot for people to not go to games. >> I I would I would say that Manchester United are actually capable of it. I think that the power of Manchester United fans, we've seen what they did around the Super League. We've seen Manchester United like, you know, there are there are and I'm not I'm not saying that this is acceptable behavior one bit, but there are Manchester United fans who are like banned from the club for for a long time and actually face court for for fighting against the ownership. So, a lot of Manchester United fans can be active. the the Manchester United support I think is very partisan and very very tribal. We have seen a club Liverpool comparably big most certainly. What Liverpool did, you remember when they walked out and they ended up drawing the game two all? >> Yeah. 77 pounds. So what they did was I think the tickets under this might have been under Hicks and Gillette. >> The Liverpool were amazing. I think the spirit of Shankley were involved and what they managed to do is because the ticket pricing had gone up to £77, they all left the stadium on the 77th minute and it was just poetic. You know, if you're into fan culture and you appreciate fan culture and you believe that fans affect >> Yeah. the not only the not only the atmosphere of stadiums but the result of football matches Liverpool winning the game 2-0il when the stadium was packed Liverpool ended the game the score was 2-0 on the 77th minute by the 90th minute the score was 2 all it was amazing from Liverpool it made the case it made the stance it set the tone and I think if Liverpool are capable of doing it we know that Manchester United fans are as >> it's a different ball game in terms of getting billionaires to part with their >> No I think what I think if look our previous Nice. We appreciate you got the idea of can Manchester United make their presence felt by staging a walk out or a boycott. >> I I believe in the United support. I think the answer is yes. I think what if Manchester United came together if if you know the Fines if the Fines Andy Mitten and people like that got behind the idea of it. >> I think I think Manchester United fan you know the way that you do it is you go in and you leave at halfime. Yeah. >> Or you go in and you don't enter the stadium for 20 minutes. You go into the concourse and you don't Paris did a brilliant one. Yeah, their ultrance on the concourse. Blocked them all for 20 minutes so that nobody could get >> Look, stuff like that kind of militancy is frowned upon and people probably won't even like me talking about it on national radio. But I consider myself very lucky that I can make this case cuz I think people like that the militancy around football fandom is what makes football fans so so so so important. And it's it's really it's really crucial that we remember Inos the the the Glazers Jim Rackliffe they are the custodians of the club. They aren't the owners looking after it. >> They're looking after it until the next gen. >> And the Manchester United fans actually the consistency. They're the people that really matter here. So yeah, if they could if they could mobilize then then yeah, good luck to >> We got another caller um to speak to actually as well. Adam, he's a Middlesbrough fan. Um be interesting to get your perspective uh on this mate. Adam, are Manchester United the worst run football club in the country? >> Compared to my club, Middlesbrough, they're the furthest away that you could imagine. Yes, >> absolutely. Absolutely. >> It does feel like it, doesn't it? I mean, actually, you know what? Actually, it's it's interesting that we've got a Middles Muff fan actually because of course you had Michael Carrick. Um, when I was speaking to some Mid Middles fans before he got to Manchester United, one of the things I was warned about was late substitutions. um maybe taking a while to sort of see what's going wrong and trying to impact the game from the sideline. Um is that fair to say cuz I' I've definitely seen it as a United fan. Um is that a common theme? >> One 100% agree. When he was at Middlesbrough, the first thing he did he came in mid-season uh and we were struggling under Chris Wilder and he came in and took over and he instantly made the players do the sensible simple things really well. He obviously inspired the players. It's and and you're seeing that with Man United, he went into United, he he he made simple things happens, put the right players in right positions and for a while it worked, but then when teams started to work us out a little bit and work out how he would do things. He people at Middlesbor talked about a plan B. I don't believe in a plan B necessarily in football, but I think there are times when you've got to deal with what you're seeing in front of you. And Carrick doesn't seem to be able to do that. You're right about the substitutions. It was almost 62 minutes ticks by and it's like an alarm went off on his wrist that need to make some subs, but it was always like for like. There was never a change. There was never a tweak in the system. >> And I do see Man United following the pattern. >> You're right, Adam. Adam Adam's literally just described Manchester United since January. >> So did So did you predict this drop off coming then, Adam? Have you seen this this story before? >> We joked about it. We joke about it when when they were doing well and he signed the deal to be the permanent manager. We all joked about it in the terraces of the Riverside. You just watch it. You just watch when he gets sussed out. He's very stubborn. He is a very stubborn character. He's not a very emotional character. And I feel like he's one of these I would call a modern English coach. There seems to be this I am going to stick with what I believe in and no one's going to tell me different. And he would say things in his press conferences that would bamboozle us as Middlesbrough fans. And he would like we'd say are you watching the same game as us? Did we really do what you're saying? Whereas to us it was obvious we were crying out for something different. So I'm absolutely 100% Rory, we predicted this. Absolutely. >> Bad news dysflex. >> I'm not going to lie, listening to you speak Adam, it's like it's it's almost like a carbon copy of exactly what has happened since Michael Carrick's arrived at Manchester United. everything you're describing and of course the the size and magnitude of Manchester United when there's sort of running stats being thrown around and you know you're not running hard enough and he's pushing back and he's saying well that's you know there's other things and as fan as a fan you I've sat there and gone >> surely he can't he can't be that he can't be saying that to the players because as a fan it's kind of rubbing us up the wrong way in terms of the explanation I'm not expecting him to sort of chastise the players and go in on him and because we've gone fro