"PACK IT IN!" Jordan & Dyche CLASH over if Newcastle are a BIG CLUB after Arteta BOMBSHELL!

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talkSPORT debates Arteta's missed Newcastle job, whether Newcastle are a big club, and Burnley's ownership and recruitment model

The show starts with Arteta nearly taking the Newcastle job in 2019 and moves through Steve Bruce, Benitez and the anti-Ashley sentiment. Simon Jordan and Sean Dyche clash over whether Newcastle are a big club, then discuss Burnley's financial risk and recruitment approach.

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Good afternoon everybody. 3 minutes past 12 noon is Jim White, Simon Jordan, and Sha Dich. And we are live on Talk Sport. Also live on your TV. Wherever you want to watch us, you can watch us Samsung TV Plus. All the rest of them as usual, channels I've never heard of, but you can find us wherever you want. Prime Video, there's one I've heard of. You can watch us live between 10 and 1 weeks on Talk Sport. Of course you can. And so much to look forward to tonight in the world of football and so much of it live and talk sport. One of them being Bayern Munich against Arsenal. And with Sean in studio, thought we'd throw this at him talking about a sliding doors moment if you like. And that certainly Sean falls into this category. In the summer of 2019, months before he took over at Arsenal, Mikuel Artetta, you might recall, was being heavily quoted by Newcastle United owner Mike Ashley. Ashley was prepared to offer then the rookie manager and that's exactly what he was Arteta an unusually long contract to lure him to St James's Park but following Artetta's rejection if you like in the interest Newcastle eventually hired Steve Bruce and Artetta held out and got the Arsenal job a few months later. Sean a true sliding doors moment. Have you experienced such a thing? >> Yeah, I think I think that can happen. It probably happened down many many pathways in life but certainly in football life when you are close or you're going to be the next one and all that sort of stuff. I've had that a few times you know where a job um not necessarily publicly but you know there's a chance when this is going to open then it hasn't and things change. Um I mean even the start of my career in management this is when I was under um at Watford with Malc Mai he went to Cardiff there was a window where he'd done his deal and I hadn't >> and uh the late Graeme Taylor just said would you come and speak to us >> and the owner then Lawrence Bassini and Graeme Taylor spoke to me and said have you thought about staying so you know and I was almost out the door because me and Mali were working together then. Did you say more specific? >> Yeah, good friend of of uh I'm aware of I'm aware of the history, but it's it's unfair to not mention him because he was the partner at that time. Yeah. And Graeme Graham had a big part in that quite obviously. >> Yeah. >> But they Yeah. And they they said, "Look, Sean, have you have you gone?" And I said, "Well, no, not necessarily." And that was the chance to for me to take and you know, the rest is history, so to speak. So, a kind of slide in a different way cuz I was I think they just presupposed my point is that I was going that was it. Yes. >> And the delay in contracts and all that sort of stuff was a window for them to say, "Look, would you stay at Watford Football Club?" And I did. >> And we all know, Simon, what Newcastle fans to this day, many of them think of Mike Ashley. But to be fair to Ashley, he spotted Arteta >> and made his bid, made his approach, and clearly thought this fella, this fell could probably do it. And now Arsenal when you're working at a Pep Guardiola, I don't think you spotted. I think it's like Marino. you know, many of Mourinho staff went on to jobs. So, no disrespect to that because he's done a great job. But, you know, when you're working under them legendary managers, I think there's lots of coaches and managers down the years who worked under the the kind of top of the the top of the business have gone on to other jobs. I mean, Marinho was famous working under Bobby Robson who at the time was considered arguably one of the best managers in Europe. Sure. >> You know, Barcelona. So, I doesn't always work though, does it? >> No. No. But I think I think there is a bit of that, you know, cuz it's got to rub off in you somewhere. If you're a good learner, you're probably going to pick up a lot from these top people. >> Yeah. Um, sliding doors moments. You've had a few in your career, have you not? I mean, after Palace, you've had the quite a number of opportunities. >> We started business one, Simon to go after a club to think, well, what about this football club? Should we make a bid for it? Somebody else does and you didn't. Well, I think sliding door, I mean, the sliding the biggest sliding door for for me at Palace was Ben Watson missing a penalty against Bristol City in the semi-finals of the playoffs um to to to take us back into situation. We lost the first leg 2-1. They scored two. We'd beat them twice in the season. Thought we're going to win the playoffs easy. Neil was in full flow. Uh and we got done 2-1 at home in, you know, couldn't quite understand that. Went to their place. Scott Sinclair, Victor Moses, good players in the side. bash them up, go one nil up, their crowd have gone, get a penalty in the 76 minute. This is the moment that's going to perhaps put us in the playoff final. We think we can beat Hull in the playoff final. We we think that that's the game we'll win. And we missed the penalty. And as a result of that, I made commercial decisions, big commercial decisions about the funding of the football club the following season because it came to me with a 15 million pound cash call just for one season. At that time in a championship 15 years ago would have been considered quite a lot of money. A lot of money. So I made some commercial decisions which in the end two years later put me in the position where I lose the football club. So but in the same way when I sold a business I when I built my mobile phone business I sold it for 100 million quid. The market collapsed a year later and people couldn't get couldn't get their couldn't get businesses sold for a fraction of the price. So you take the rough with a smooth you know sometimes the sliding door moments work for you and sometimes they don't. >> I love the way he he just a matter of >> gold just threw it on the table there as if it was nothing. We'll never know, Sean. But I wonder what Mik Arteta might have done in Newcastle United. >> Well, different kind of situation, I think. Different kind of club, different kind of expectation in, you know, they're two massively different. No job for him. Two massively different mentalities. I think >> that's no job for Mike Ateta because anyone that went to work for Mike Ashley at that time was immediately tarnished by the fact that Mike Ashley was absolutely universally loved by the Newcastle fans. Brucey took the job for a number of reasons. One, it was because it was offered. Two, because he was a huge Newcastle fan, brought up in the air and wanted to manage Newcastle United. But Mikuel Ateta taking that job as a first job as a manager would have been a nightmare for him because the only bonus my issues with Rafa was he used at the time the the media and the fan back channel to undermine his owner. If you didn't like my actually don't go work for him. Don't use the media and the fans to create your opportunity to be popular with everybody. And you felt bonito did that? >> Well, of course he did that. Everyone knows he did it. So, Malleta coming into that as a first job, it would have destroyed him. >> One thing for the life of me, I I never forget this. I'm big big mates with Bruce here and you know, big fan of his as well. And I could never work out at Newcastle. The fans are on him like pretty quick and he's a local lad. He come through the system there, you know, he lived where he lived there as a kid, you know. >> Well, he'll tell you. He'll tell you himself. >> I was really surprised by Jord in my in my view, you know, when I've ever been manager. He'll tell you about certain journalists. They spent a lot of time >> really going for him >> cuz they were they were on Mike Ashley and it sort of fed itself through to the manager >> but he was Ashley's man in their view and anything that touched Ashley. Bonitas was hero worship by Newcastle fans cuz he went against Ashley. >> Yeah, that's right. Yeah. >> Steve didn't. So there you are. So Ashley's, you know, public enemy number one. Here's his little lick spittle as a manager. Me paraphrasing. That's not what I think of Brucey, but that's what the fans and the media portray it to be. And there you are. >> I remember Rafa I remember Rafford once lads. He was he was telling me after a game how little money they had and all that and I was manager at Burnley and Tony P. Tony just burst out laughing. He went you have remembered he was manager of Burnley cuz we had like you know we had two bags of crisps at the time. You know what I mean? >> Have they not got you with um Paru and Pulis and Allanise to get in that gig of the um what's the >> I'm only I'm only sexual health and awareness mate. I'm only sexual health and awareness. That's what I promote. >> It must be Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, you'd be delayed there, would you? If if Uber Eats want to get in touch, I'm all he is, mate. While I'm while I'm resting while I'm resting in between, I >> Oh, come on. You I wear shorts. I'm a short. >> Sean, were you ever tempted or was there ever an offer for you to go to that part of the world up in the Northeast? Maybe Newcastle, maybe Sunderland, maybe Middlesborough. >> No, it's like I said about um Everton, you know, when well, you know, from doing it there, so many rumors grow and some get so powerful even when they're not true. There was a few about Newcastle when when Right. So, as you said, sorry, when Mike Ashley was there, there was a few then about me going up there, but none actually were true. There was a few about Evan, as we we discussed on the show a couple of years ago. Big rooms about me. Even when I went there, they said, "Oh, yeah, but you were interviewed a few years ago." I wasn't. >> So, that was, you know, and some just grow grow wings out of sort of nothing. You know what I mean? And you end up answering them. You can't win once you answer it. You know that you you say, "Oh, do you unless you say yes, I really want the job." You can deny you can do what you want and they just they make up that you you were in for it anyway. So you can't really win with that. >> But can you believe some managers say no because of where the club actually is geographically? >> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Players as well. >> You could say no at any time to Newcastle United. >> Of course, Jim. People are human. You know, they have lives. >> Huge club. All the players. >> What? What? You think that's it? So you're going to put your whole life right. You're going to give away your whole life to be manager of Newcastle football club. That just doesn't happen. I'm if they offer come your way, you would have gone. >> Well, hypothetically speaking, but would you >> up there? You haven't lived there. >> Time's changed. But I'm on about I mean, you're you're suggesting that you just push everything else in your whole life aside, you know, like Ed Eddie, I know who went to Burnley and found it incredibly tough because he had little and his misses and ended up going back to Bournemouth, you know, cuz he made that decision. It didn't work out. Forget about the page. Didn't work out li now. He made an even bigger decision to go to Newcastle. But do you remember how long it took, Freddy? Do you remember how long that went? M >> he said it felt like weeks for Eddie to go to Newcastle and they both stuck to task or the ownership did stick to task to be fair and eventually when do you remember that? >> Yeah. >> Well well he must have been debating must now in the end by not he did a brilliant job at Newcastle but you get my point. He didn't he didn't just go oh it's Newcastle I'm literally going as Mrs. >> for that matter because of where it is. Did you struggle to get decent players to join >> Burnley still? >> Yeah but yeah but that's the way it goes. That's been happening for years. is I remember remember the days of I think you would have been chairman then was it um Middlesbrough when um Steve was putting loads of money into >> yeah they were signing work because they couldn't get to live there and then guess what they didn't live there anyway they all lived in uh Yarmmy or or went down to Weatherbe or somewhere you know >> when when um Paul Mson was playing at Portsmouth he didn't live anywhere near he still lived in the Midlands the senior players the big players will be given the courtesy of turning up to training at certain times playing match days because they've earned that currency but the argument you know about Newcast Cuz Newcastle's a big club in Newcastle. That's it. >> Oh, it's not a big club in the world. It's nice to have >> But you know, it's a big club. It's not the big club in the world or world of football, but it's certainly a big club. >> Big club in New >> It's a one club city. We get that. And Newcast Newcastle Newcastle. But it is an enormous club. >> Don't drag me down in this room. >> It's a big club in Newcastle. It's not an enormous club. Why is it enormous club? his achievements are enormous. I know you wanted to celebrate religiously and relentlessly with everybody else about winning the bleed and league cup for Newcastle because somehow or another we all like to do that uh even though they're owned by a nation state that perhaps we should all be unhappy about in terms of how nation states own football clubs. >> But you know, no this idea they can't get away fast enough. All the big players go up there, get themselves a little footing into Newcastle and into the Premier League and off they go. >> That is a fair point. There was a lot of players leave there. There you go. A lot of big players have signed there and left there. >> Newcast United a huge club, John Sean? >> I'm not about I think it's a very very big club. Not on the world stage. I don't think it's huge, but I think it's a very big club. Yes. Very big. >> You remember doing an outside broadcast for talkport with me and we came from the station. It was live in in the station. >> Yes. >> And we had many Newcastle fans. It's a big club in Newcastle >> and it was terrific. And you were very worried about someone pouring a cup of tea over your head. >> It's a big club in Newcastle. So it's a big club. So what do people think of it? You lived there, didn't you? Was that one of the few places in the UK that you haven't? Well, you lived in shops. >> No, I had shops. I had businesses in um in in that part of the world. So, yes, because I had 250 shops. They're going to be somewhere around the country. >> So, you didn't mind taking their money? >> No, of course not. But it doesn't alter the fact that they were not a big club. Full stop. They're a decentsized football club. They're recognizable in English football quite significantly. But on the global stage, I have this conversation with Freddy Shepard and Douglas. You're not a big football club. Nobody cares about you in Europe. Now, you've been in the Champions League a few times over the last three or four seasons, so you're getting a bit more recognition, but pack it in. That's about it, Newcastle fans. You don't need to get reaction today. 17234. Anyway, Teta didn't go to Newcastle. He went to Arsenal and Arsenal. Yeah, that's where it all started. Arsenal in Munich to play Bayern Munich. And I tell you more than that, it's live in talk sport. It is Jim White. It's Simon Jordan and it is Shan D and we are live in talksport. Many Newcastle fans are asking me to ask you, Simon, Crystal Palace, is it a big club? >> Um, not >> it's a London club particularly. >> No, it's a decent club. It's a decent scale football club. It's a recognizable football club. >> Become a bigger club, isn't it? >> Since I left, you mean? >> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. >> No, no, you're not. >> Um, no, it's a decent sized football club. It had huge potential. Once upon a time it was described as a Man United of the South because you had such a scale of opportunity in terms of the football. When I when I was growing up as a kid in 1979 the average attendance at Cers Park was 46,000. >> Yeah, >> that's what they were getting. But that's when you had all standing over the London clubs even to get there physically. It's got its own massive >> catchment massive catchment area but but I don't I don't labor under illusions. I'm not tribalistic about it. I think it's a small club in the great scheme of things. >> Sure. And the truth will out Steve Bruce so many messages coming in. were talking about Steve moments ago. Um, Newcastle fans getting in touch. C Bruce managed the Mackhams Sunderland and he managed them first. So, he was dead to us from them. There's Ryan. Steve Bruce, well, he managed Sunderland. What do you expect? Why would we like a I mean, do you get that Sean? No. Do you do you understand that mindset? >> No, I've never understood it to be honest. You know, if you It's different if you're born and bred. You know, if you're born and bred Well, cuz I managed everything, right? If you're born and bred a read from your kid and you managed Liverpool and all that, say, say Stevie G, right? Say Stevie G became ever manager. Yeah, and I get it. Then I go, whoa, that ain't going to work. But Steve Bruce having a few years donkeys years ago at Sunderland being a Jordi. He took a job, didn't he? He took a job for his own welfare to try and do the best he can. And there's nothing wrong with that. You're not Yeah. You're not telling me he's going to try less. >> Jordi takes a Sunderland job. Big deal. Yeah. It's not going to try less, is it? >> Win and play a brand of football. when he did it at Sheffield did Sheffield United Sheffield Wednesday. He did it in Birmingham. He did Birmingham West Brom. We don't care. He'll take the job on offer and do the job to the best of his abilities. Yeah. The problem was and the real issue is besides the confected historical hindsight observations was they hated Ashley. >> Anybody underlying threat? >> Anybody but Ashley. And that's why Mikuel Artetta dodged a bullet because he Steve Bruce at that stage had managed 117 clubs. All right. And in Mikuel Artetta's world, he'd managed nobody. So it would have ruined him. Yeah. So he made a wise decision and fortune favors the brave or fortunate because Arsenal came along at a stage in their development where they took a punt on a young coach because the una experiment hadn't worked and timing is everything in life. >> Yeah. Yeah. The other thing is how how long was the gap between that you know alleged Newcastle offer and Arsenal? >> About six months. >> Yeah. that six months might have been enough for him to work it out, you know, because he might not have felt right for it and the on and the first round. Might not been nothing to do with the club. He might have thought, I don't think I'm ready for this. Six months later, he might have gone, you know what, I'm I'm more rounded now. I'm more ready. >> And he might have Pep saying to him, who's a wise football head who's been around at that time going careful with that club, careful with the sets of challenges. There might been a whole raft of good voices in his ear. >> Yeah. So, nothing to do with Newcastle as a club. >> Which club did you support growing up? >> Kron. Kron Town. I was famously kept in town, >> right? >> Just to quickly >> senior club. Do you do you follow your club? >> 70s kid, so it was Liverpool from the from a distance. I never watched Liverpool. Never went there. I used to go and watch Captain Town a team ticket. We've covered this many times. >> Support you support. What are you in this half a scarf? Are you in two scarf? >> Oh, no. WE CAN'T HAVE A SCARF. >> I know you're not used to this, but I wasn't actually talking to you. So, Sean, the bottom line is you've got an open mind, mate. You You would manage anyway. Yeah, because well because I want someone who's going to manage my club and care for it and work really hard at it. I don't think it necessarily means you have to worry about the last club or