Simon Jordan REACTS to 'HYPOCRITE' Jamie Carragher's CHEATING comments amid Man City VERDICT!

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Simon Jordan reacts to Jamie Carragher's 'hypocrite' cheating comments and the Man City verdict

The show debates whether Jamie Carragher can criticise Manchester City's owners after old comments saying he would rather cheat and win. Simon Jordan argues the hypocrisy does not weaken the case against City, while callers argue over due process, punishment, Chelsea, and whether football's spirit is dead.

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in the introduction to the show, a man I know and a man Simon certainly knows, Jimmy Carrager. Um, he's been a loud critic of Manchester City's owners following the guilty verdict, claiming the owners must go. The club's got to be punished maybe for up to 5 years and their legacy is quite clearly tarnished. And yet the same Jamie might well be accused of having double standards because an old clip from Diary of a CEO shot back in 2022 has emerged with Jamie saying this. >> Bill Shankley said football is a matter of life and death. And I don't think he meant that. I think that was obviously tongue and cheek at the time. And no football club knows that statement is not true more than Liverpool Football Club, but it's very close to being true. That's the way I see it. That's the football for me is a way of life and and winning is is all that matters. And for me, when I played, I'd rather cheat and win than not win. And uh I don't think I'll ever be any different. And that's why I think football has taken me to places in me life that almost brings a tear to me eye, but it's always taken me to places where I'm like, I don't feel like I'm ever going to get over it. >> Aha. So, that's come back to an extent to bite him. Will he feel bitten by that these years on? >> Well, he'll feel that uh that perhaps he shouldn't have said that because it wasn't really necessary for Jamie to have said that. Actually, I spoke to Jamie over the weekend because I see peers having a go at him on social media. Told him not to rise to it. Um, but I um I think it doesn't alter the fact that what he is saying about Man City has resonance just because most people in life are hypocrites. They are. They just might not choose to admit it. And he's been caught in a hypocrite moment, a hypocritical moment where he's being a hypocrite. That doesn't alter the veracity or the efficacy of what he's saying. He is being all of us are being constantly put in the situation where we have to talk about Man City because it's constantly part of the media cycle. So you're going to constantly say and people are trying to do things to top one another by saying the most extreme thing. It's often it's not about being right sometimes. It's about being first. Yeah. And I think sometimes that's a tragedy of the news cycles that we live in. But notwithstanding that Jamie's caught himself in a in a moment where he said something >> that it'll be interesting to see how he finds his way out of that if indeed he's challenged by it because they'll take the mickey out of him and sky for it, won't they? But I don't think it alters what he's saying about Man City. Just because he's been a hypocrite doesn't mean that necessarily his point of view about Man City being sanctioned and brought to book and the consequences of their behavior needing to be visited upon them. >> Yeah. In a timely fashion. >> It's all about timely f. It's all about timing, isn't it, though? I mean, when you were at Palace and you were the owner of the football club, was it win at all costs? >> Um, underhand methods. >> No, I don't I don't listen, I don't like to stand on the shoulders of giants. I think you beat people because you're better than them. You don't beat people. I don't like if I if I get involved in any conversation, I don't like to do to disadvantage someone else to advance myself. I want to be better than them. So that means also consequently I don't particularly want to cheat. But sometimes you have to fight fire with fire, depends what you think the ultimate version of cheating is. Yeah. If you mean if we if you mean um simulation for players, whilst I don't like it, if every other player on the field is doing it and you're the only player that doesn't do it, you're going to be on your own with your integrity patting yourself on the back while everyone's walking off with the winners medals. There's a balance between finding the right way to perhaps bend, adjust, manipulate, circumvent the rules, or there's the other way, which is just blatant outright cheating and not having any regard for it and then having the the bare face to turn around and say it's everybody else's agenda against you. >> Did you cheat in any way when you owned palace? >> Depends what you think cheating is. >> Did you take shortcuts? >> No, I I didn't. That's probably the reasons why I lost so much bloody money because I should have done. But I also feel that, you know, city rules like tapping up. What a load of old rubbish. Every other industry in the world, you all talk to one another. So I of course talked to other people's managers if I bloody well wanted to. And they did the same to mine. >> But rules are rules, aren't they? >> That's a rule. So you could say it's cheating. I cheated. You know, when I spoke to Neil Waruk um and he was manager of another football club. I considered it a conversation that didn't need to go any further if he didn't want to come and join us and then I'd have to go through the correct channels and pay the compensation and so forth. But it's a ridiculous rule. But as a result of that conversation, you got Neil. >> No, not that time, but I got him several years later. >> But as far as as far as that's concerned, so if you want to if you want to take it to its most finite points, >> yeah, >> then it's cheating. So if you want to take Jamie and hoist him by his own petard in the conversation that he's having about Man City, you can do, but it doesn't alter what he's saying about Manchester City. M Manchester City in so far as they've currently been found guilty in so far as they will do their very level best it would seem to create an image in the public domain about irrefutable evidence while spending their entire time not cooperating with anybody and losing cases and then misrepresenting the ones that they do find themselves um less sanctioned under like the UEFA case. Yeah. All of those things have got to be focused on and zeroed in and not distractions about whether Jamie Carrager said he wanted to cheat on a football field. Let's zero down on Manchester City because they are the ones that are currently putting football and its reputation and the Premier League into jeopardy. And they need to be they need to be focused on delivering an outcome that they say they can in as timely a fashion as they possibly can rather than playing the system, creating arguments around how long an appeal should take based upon when the rules were changed. That to me is utter crap and utter poor behavior. And those are the sort of things that we should be focusing on. And you're saying, "Let's zero down on Manchester City." At the moment, you're totally focused >> about the punishment, the nature of the punishment, the extent of the punishment because they cheated. >> I'm totally focused on due process because there's a there's enough historical hysterical voices. I spent an hour on a show with Pierce barking at the moon about how people should be hung, drawn, and quartered because he's decided that the process is the process. >> Well, he wants an appeal decision last night, does it? >> Yes, he does. But that can't happen that way. Now he what he wants is a sanction now and then the appeal afterwards and then maybe a a reformation of the sanction or repudiation of it. Yeah. I understand the process to be that they've appealed they're going to appeal the liability first and once the liability has been established or not established they'll sanction them and then at that point everyone can scream about what they think they should be getting and how much pound of flesh we should be taking from them. I'm trying to keep a level head. I don't particularly like the ownership of Manchester City. I don't like their conduct. I have maintained the same view whilst trying to tread the right side of the line so people don't start flinging rits at you about what I thought they were uh likely to experience, but I'm not I'm not entirely convinced that they might not find their way to tap dance way around this. And then I look at it and go, well, what landscape does that create? Because the noise is going to rise to a crescendo like all things with the media. It'll mushroom off a little bit and drop off in terms of it of the velocity of it or the ferocity of it. Ferocity of it. But I'm worried if they do find a way to tap dance around the Premier League. What does it say about the Premier League? It says it can't administrate itself. It says that Man City's observations about partisan uh independent commissions are true. It says about the idea that the incompetence of these commissions are there to be questioned. It says they can't self-regulate their industry. I don't know which is worse. Manchester City the other day. The owners have got to go. >> Oh, I think they have. I think they've got to go on a number of fronts because I think that their behavior, one of the obligations under the fit and proper person's owners test is to cooperate. You might not like it. You might not think it's for you and you might want to hold your nose when you have to deal with a Premier League because you're the royal family by association, but these are the rules that you sign up to. Yeah. And they haven't obliged and it's and it's not a debate. Everybody has said it. UEFA said it. The Premier League have said it. Everybody has said it. even when they were even when they were trying to put a blanket ban on the media covering them in the courts when they were going through the high courts. The same thing was said. So, it's not it's not a case of people all ganging up against this is not about xenophobic attitudes. This is about Manchester City and their owners thinking currently they can do exactly as they please. Do I mean fans are gaslighting everybody else that they're cooperating? >> Fans of every club listening this morning, they want their clubs to win. End of story. Because that's what it's about. And that essentially was what Jimmy Carrager was saying. He'll go to any lens when he was a player to win >> because the players are involved. The fans are also involved to a certain degree and you'll get certain sections of fan bases that are hysterical and totally invested. Then as you go down the different tiers, you get to the pragmatic middle section which are the majority that are balanced and rational in thinking. But is it your belief that fans out there listening this morning want City punished because they care about the rules and sporting integrity or just that they want City punished because this damn thing has gone on so long? No, I think it's to do with what they think they understand of the case. And I think there's a faux confed outrage that's created by the media's hysterical response to it created by the endless and include us in it. By the way, I'm not suggesting that I'm not a part of that conversation. >> We cannot react to it. No, but there's an endless and endless endless and and more and more more more and more noise because it's a wonderful story and I get it right. But the information curve you ask the average fan in the street what does financial fair play mean? Ask the average fan in the street what happened with Chelsea. Ask the average fan about the European Super League. When it comes down to it, how many times do we sit on this show explaining the same things over and over again that we've explained previously and fans come on saying they didn't understand that. So what they get is they get their news from a certain cycle. They form their opinions based upon it. And at this moment in time the temperature is very very hot around Man City. So fans are becoming inflamed by what they think they know. Now what they think they know is Manchester City cheated. Yes, we know that they've potentially cheated and we know that they've been they've been found guilty of cheating. >> But this idea that peers were saying yesterday, just publish the information. It doesn't work like that because the information has to be has to be dissected in a certain way. Yeah. And disseminated in a certain way. So you can publish stuff that could prove to be prejudicial because it could be misinterpreted by people who don't have expert eyes to understand what they're reading. >> Sure. And then you get the pseudo experts that spend all their time, you know, looking into people's affairs, making judgment calls based upon their own biases, and all of a sudden you've got a a mastrom of media stuff. So, I think that the fans I think there are certain fans that will be absolutely rabid about this. There'll be a section of fans that will be offended by it. There'll be a section of fans that see as an opportunity to advance their football clubs. And there'll be another set of fans like me that are focused on the clubs that they support, don't like what City have done, want to make sure that if City are going to get done, they're going to get done properly and they're going to be convicted of everything they should be convicted on and they've exhausted all processes so that there's nowhere for them to go and then we'll all pile in full pelt on what they should get. >> I mean, you heard Simon sort of compartmentalize it there, but what what what compartment do you fit into as a football fan? Are you rabid about City uh being punished for this? Are you offended by what they've seemingly done or are you focused on the whole matter until its very end when the the result of the appeal actually comes to light? You might want to give us a call on that. I mean Jimmy Carager said it loud and proud some years ago. Yeah, you know, I didn't mind cheating if it if it helped me win. City, it appears have done the same thing. Where do you stand in that? is Jimmy Carricker psyche and the outlook your outlook 03717234 on a Tuesday morning and we're live in talk sport with Celco where the trade goes. Jimmy Cariger said uh way back in 2022, yeah, when I played it was all about winning and if I had to cheat along the way to win then so be it. Manchester City accused of cheating. But where are you when you look at the city situation at this time? Are you in one or three different compartments like Simon explained there? Are you a rabid fan who wants to see City punished at all all all costs? Are you offended by what they've done? Or do you sit back a bit and you're focused on the matter and you're quite relaxed about the process because you'll make your own comment once the final decision of the appeal is known. 03717234. Where do you fit in? Manchester City fan Paul, how do you look at it? Hi Jim Simon. Um I like to think that I'm a a fairly levelheaded human being, but I am a Rabbit City fan. I've been a season ticket holder for 55 years. Yeah. Um >> yeah, >> I'm fanatical about my football club. I was there on Sunday. Um but I also understand that there are rules. So, uh, I've actually read the 40page, uh, summary, 40page verdict of of what was dropped down the other week. >> Okay. Well done. >> What I haven't been able to do is read the appendices. So at this moment in time, you cannot make a full des um discussion about what has happened until you can read what we've been found guilty on with those appendices and how they have taken evidence the city have claimed is irrefutable which people say well why didn't they bring it out before? They have presented that evidence as irrefutable evidence, as bank statements, as bank transfers, and that has been by a um a a a panel decided that the people that made those statements were lying. Now, >> but those pages that you've read, Paul, they were damning, were they not? >> They were damning about your football club. >> I was heartbroken when I read that when I read that statement. Uh when I read that verdict, I was I was absolutely heartbroken that my club was being called the Sham Club, being all the contracts were sham, everything else. I'm a City fan. I've enjoyed the last 15 years, but I've also enjoyed the other 40 years of being a City fan, whether that was in the second division or not. >> Yeah. But you cannot make a decision without finding out how three independent people can look at evidence that three other independent people or a p another independent panel has looked at those um that evidence and decided a completely different thing as Cass did. >> But that's not true. But that's not true, Paul. That's not true. >> It is. >> It's not true. Cash Cass did not look at the same timelines. did there were certain contracts that were time barred. They were not asked to consider certain things. So the UEFA fun UEFA original findings found Manchester City guilty. The the cast the cast circumstances were different. >> I agree with what you say to a certain point. >> Yeah. >> However, what people are latching on to is the inflation of um of sponsorship payments. Yeah. >> Or payments made by somebody else. >> Yeah. state owned businesses. >> In their verdict, if you read the verdict, in the opening paragraph, it says there is no evidence that the um owners of Manchester City paid those sponsorships. That is what Cass actually say in the first. >> It's interesting. It's interesting. I tell you, for also to to push back a little bit on your observations, UEFA sent a skeleton staff in there to argue and to advance their case. The Premier League put a very robust emphasis on being able to interrogate witnesses. Certain witnesses appeared u at the CAS hearing which I was the ADUG uh uh FTA airlines appeared. They didn't appear in front of the Premier League. I think if you want to get into the appendices, the conventional wisdom will tell you that the appendices are going to be even more damning than the redacted 40page version that you saw. And for any KC of any salt or significance to start throwing around observations about concoction and unreliable witnesses, this is the most robust legal language that you'll get into. I've been in these spaces. I've taken people to court for fraud and all kinds of commercial activities from warranty reclaims upwards in and out of football. So, I know that the language that's being used is incredibly robust. So, they must be on really solid ground to make those kind of observations. Paul. >> Okay. Paul, listen. Thanks for the call and your observations. Gary's been waiting patiently as an Arsenal fan. Gary, where are you with all this? Your observations. Are you comfortable in that you're sitting back and you'll let the process take its course? >> I think you got to let the process take its course. Yeah, cuz um I think it just needs to happen as soon as possible because um I was discussing it yesterday about like Liverpool playing at the weekend. If if City get points deduction halfway through the season, then you know the team will play a different side with different priorities. um it just needs to happen. I think ideally it would have been in the in the off season that would have been the perfect time whether it's you wait until the end of this year and then you do it. But um I just think that they need to suffer and it's a shame for the Man City fans like the gentleman was just on there then it's a shame for the Man City fans because they they turn up every week they pay their money and watch their team and they love their team. Um but there's a lot of like you know footballers that have lost out on titles. um you know and cups and I just think that they need to they need to hurt like everybody else hurt you know because they're cheating. >> Gary, would you like to hear City fans being more critical of their own? >> Uh it's not football, is it? It's not how football works. You you stand by your own, don't you? You know, Right. >> That's how football is. That's why that's why it is it is what it is. Such a great a great thing. Um >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Yeah. And and I think I think regarding uh Carrager um and his comments, I think the moment he spat out the window of his car, I think we