"IT'S A DISGRACE!" Simon Jordan & Sean Dyche ENRAGED by Leeds fan ABUSING Sir Alex Ferguson!

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talkSPORT condemns a Leeds fan's abuse of Sir Alex Ferguson while warning against tarring all Leeds fans

The show discusses a Leeds fan's verbal abuse of Sir Alex Ferguson at Elland Road. Simon Jordan and Sean Dyche agree it was a disgrace that crossed the line, stressing basic respect for an elderly football statesman, while separating the individual from Leeds United and the majority of its fans. They also discuss how hard it can be to identify and punish the culprit, and conclude that Leeds should not be tarred as a club but the abuse must be clearly condemned.

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We want to bring this to air this morning because the mind boggles at times. I was down at Brighton on Sunday uh watching Brighton do a job on Simon's Old Club Crystal Palace. That's by the buy. At the same time, Lead United were at home to Manchester United and in attendance was one Sir Alex Ferguson. The game ended up in a 1-1 draw. But this has been shared now on social media. Sir Alex um was leaving the stadium. He had gone there using a walking stick because he's recovering from an Achilles injury. And bear in mind, Sir Alex Ferguson, of course, revered in the game for everything he has done. Very much a national treasure, 84 years of age, ran into a bit of abuse, verbal abuse from one Lead United fan. So, we'll bleep out the key word, but this was the moment. YOU [laughter] AND THAT was that. Now, just before we came on air, Sean, you and I were talking about that and you were extremely passionate about this. You couldn't believe that a somebody would do that and b the ones around them were laughing. >> Well, unfortunately about the modern world that it is is firstly we're going to have to speak about it rightly so because it is it's an absolute joke. It's a disgrace for me. But that sort of adds more power to it because then other people will go Google it or whatever they do. You know what I mean? So I don't like that side. But I think it's fair to show our respect to the fact that we're not having it. I'm not having it. I think it's gone too far and people are doing that. For one, by the way, you know, I've got elderly parents. I'm parents walking down some stairs a walking stick. For one, just as a person, just a human being why you do that. And two, whatever you think of Alex F leads man you whatever you are. Surely there's a there's a certain time life as a manager or an ex manager's point in life where they just go and respect where I don't mean they're untouchable but what what are you doing getting involved in that whether you're in a stadium or not. I mean I call it stadium rages you know it's like people act differently in stadiums all that >> you know so some people go you know they it's like road rage but normal people driving along and then suddenly they go off and that happens in stadiums but this is too far. I think >> honestly I think it's a disgrace. I don't don't even know how people think that's funny. I don't know how people who comment on it would think it's funny. Um, and yet somehow the world is like that now, you know, which I find really bizarre. >> I'm with Sean on this totally, Sam. The moment was gone. It was there one moment and then it was gone. >> And Sir Alex kept his head down having looked up to see where the individual was. If you're watching that on YouTube in a moment, you'd see him look up to to see who shouting his name. And then he got what he got and he carried on. Now, this is Sir Alex Ferguson. And it's not something Alex wouldn't have heard before from rival fans. So it's I mean he's a he's a strong character. He'll take no notice of it. We do live in a society where there's very little respect and sometimes good reasons for it because some of the people that you think deserve respect don't actually deserve respect. But he is a a statesman of the game. There's of course you know a massive rivalry between Man United and leads but there is a line. I mean no one's immune to people saying constructive or critical things to them. So there shouldn't be any idea that Ferguson can't be criticized. I made an observation the other day to to David Murray about the reaction of Jim Rick Radcliffe cutting off his 2 million pound stipe. I said, "Well, he had a good run. It doesn't go on forever." And some people say, "Blime, you can't say that about Alex Ferguson." But to suggest that someone should say to him some silly little twerp in a stand, whatever he said, f off, or whatever he said, >> you know, it's it's mindless. It's it, you know, it's mindless. and leads themselves will be disappointed and embarrassed by it because they will recognize that they're a significant football club that play a part in the Premier League that want their reputation to be of the highest order. Yeah. Well, exactly. I mean, Sean, I'm >> wonder cuz surely he said he he shouts it very loud. I wonder if they'll find their own way, by the way, hang on, mate. What you >> They might they might have done. >> Yeah. Which that would be refreshing. Well, you could I know people nowadays you got to be careful because you never know who you're dealing with, you know, but surely someone just went, "Mate, you can't, you know," or one of his mates, you'd think one of your mates, one of my mates would pull me back, go, "What are you doing?" Do you know what I mean? For starters, what are you doing? >> Yeah. I mean, you've been in his company times. Of course you have, Sean. I've been very fortunate to have been in his company. And whenever I've been in his company, Sir Alex, you feel privileged to be in it. >> Of course. And as a football as a football person, that's my point. If you're a football fan, >> Yeah. There's a there's a there's a level you get to in football life where it's just respect. It doesn't matter whether you like them. Doesn't matter you like them. Doesn't matter what club they've been at. Doesn't matter who they are. There's just a level of respect. Exactly. >> And and for an elderly gentleman who's been through the wars a bit lately. He's got a walking walk after everything he's done for football. Yeah. >> Including some of the rivalry by the way because it's made some brilliant times for football fans. Leads Manu, you know, the old Absolutely and all that. >> He's 84 shot. >> Yeah, I And there comes a time when I go, "No, that's that's that's that's out of order." You know, bang out of order. >> It was a laughter around it as well, Simon. >> Yeah, I know. I didn't like that. I know. I really didn't like that. Yeah. >> Yeah. I mean, there there is a very small section now of football fans that are mindless that that think singing to leads about the loss of those poor people as a result of the game in in Turkey. Um there is a group of people that think it's funny to sing about Hillsborough. So, how do you rationalize those people? How do you even bother to try to? So with these sort of people that think it's funny to say something like that to Alex Ferguson, I don't think they're worth our time really. >> Yeah. But I honestly think I'm not defending people, but when it's a mob when it's a mob culture, that's a different ball game to one person just deciding I'm going to do that. I'm going to say that. You know, mob culture can lead, you know, it's like some kind of weird bravado and obviously I'm not protecting anything they've sang about cuz it's awful some of it. I was at Hillsboro way so I get all of that. you know, dire things that people saying, but a mob thing is different to just some twerp as you call them. >> Just coming out. I just I just think it's a poor. I just think it's really really cool. >> You you were saying you you you've had it in the game. Of course, I've been called everything in the game as well by by fans of various clubs. Simon has too. >> I had one surprise one and only a surprise because I think everyone's value when I say the club, I think we'd all think, "Oh, it's a nice club, a good club, well run and everything." Not that by the way, not anything to do with being well run. I mean you can't [laughter] you told blue can't decide on one player but it was at brighter one person it was at Brighton I actually got my biggest heranging yeah from a fan I mean I couldn't even tell you the words just a non-stop but like blast of the worst words you can think of to the point when I put the brakes on which is very even like me I don't I'm like you Simon I got very very thick skin and people say what they want but I put the brakes she went back but you know I said I said I presume there's women and children and people up there I said I was brought up in a certain way mate but I think you've gone too far you know I said so do you you need to cut that out to that >> just carried on [laughter] >> and I just thought well there you go there you know you try and do it and I didn't I didn't swear anything cuz I cuz it was that you know it's that powerful right it's rare now and again you know in the old days you might go oh you know whatever you off >> I thought no it's beyond that that's so much I thought no that needs just padding down a little bit to remind this this this fell >> that's too much have you realized where you are forget me but have you realized who's around you've ever thought who's around you know what I mean and this is in a really good section of the the stadium. >> But it's a sense of >> How mad is that? >> I know a sense of I remember it's not so relevant, but I remember years and years ago we when I first bought Palace, we were playing away to Grimby, which is not a place you want to spend much time. Um and [snorts] the and the and the chairman of Grimby was a really nice fellow. I think his name was Peter Fer and he was very old elderly man. And and and the team they obviously weren't doing very well and a group of fans just descended upon him and just abused him. And I'm stood there thinking there 70 80 year old man being screamed at that and and some would say well he's an owner of a football club who goes with the territory. >> Yeah. Yeah. >> Any person of a certain age that gets abused. You have to look at whether it's Alex Ferguson or it's the chairman of Grimby or guy in the street. I would get I would guarantee you if you approached this nitwit that said these things Yeah. >> and asked him to explain his thinking he'd probably be feel like he's a bit of a plum now. Well, I I looked at some of the comments uh that reacted to it on on Twitter. Not big, not smart, just crass classness. Um, another one, that bloke is bigger than your football club, Sir Alex. Um, and another one, not funny, quite embarrassing actually. And it is. So, Sir Alex Ferguson, age 84, had made the effort, albeit was chauffeer driven there, of course he was, to Ellen Road to watch Manchester United leave with a 1-1 draw and was verbally abused by a fan and around him some other fans laughed at the abuse that they heard. I mean, how on earth have we got to this? How on earth have we got to this? And I'm going to put it out there after [snorts] someone like Sir Alex at 84 years of age was abused as he was on Sunday. Where is respect? I mean, have some in football lost the plot completely when it comes to respect? And I've got to say, were you one or two of the ones in that group who laughed when it happened? I mean, what you thinking about in general? Give us a call about this because it would it would be great if we'd clear it up and clean the game of a moment like this. 03717234. I have to say what a reaction we have had uh to our discussion just the other side of 10:30 on Sir Alex Ferguson who was at Ellen Road on Sunday and got a bit of verbal abuse as he left Ellen Road after Manchester United drew 1-1 uh on Sunday at the stadium. Sir Alex verbally abused by a fan. No need for it. It it was over and done in seconds. We've bleeped out the key words, but this was the moment. >> YOU [laughter] SIR, Alex looked up and um he heard what everybody else in that area of the stadium heard at that same time. But where does it leave respect? Have Summon Football lost the plot when it comes to respect? So many people getting in touch this morning. We'll take some calls on it in a second. Uh there's Mark who's a Middlesborough fan. Uh good morning guys. The Ferguson insult is a reflection of uh the sad sign of the time. Sad social media. Um that's what people crave these days. Pathetic. I'm quite sure Sir Alex didn't give a second thought. I think you're right. I hope he didn't. Mark, there's another one. Russell here. It would be refreshing if Leeds took action, but they won't. Clubs could do a lot more to deal with the odd fan like this, but they don't. Simon, you've owned a football club. I mean, what can you do? >> But that's not true, is it? But clubs do take action against fans. They ban them and they they can identify them. They consequence them, but I don't see how you can identify this guy. >> How are you going to identify him? >> No, I think to be clear, you know, I've managed at least many times and the fans always been great with me, you know, and like we all agree when you meet fans up close, they're generally very very good. >> So, I don't think we're questioning Lead United football club. We're questioning probably the football society or the society within football or football within society, whichever way you look at it, because >> it's just too much like that. You know, there there comes a time and I agree with Simon what he said earlier. Can Alex Ferguson take it? Of course he can. But even, you know, someone's go because if you look, he looks up to join in. Probably to smile. He's probably going to smile and just wave or something. >> To get that to get that a man of age, a man of respect, a man who's done what he's done in the game. I just think it's too much. >> It's pathetic. It really is pathetic. As you say, Sean, I I've got a number of pals who are leads fans, great guys, and they love their club, but this fell stepped over the line. Dan, good morning. Big Leads fan. What do you make of this? >> Morning, guys. Thank you very much for taking my call. Uh to be honest, I wouldn't at the game, but I know what the game's like that uh the tragedy and all that chanting and things. I've been to a lead Man United game. It's always going to be like [snorts] that. But to do that to an 80 84 85 year old is he I don't remember what you said. >> 84. >> It's disgusting. Yeah. You know what I mean? And that and >> the things I LOOK AT IT. YEAH. It's disgusting. But another thing as well, a lot of people jump on the bandwagon when it's leads, right? And it don't matter where you go, what game you watch. We all ate lead scum. We all lead scum. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. Right. Get off the bandwagon. They're just jealous. Right. That's what it is. Right. It's horrible. It's tragedy chanting. Now, I remember the game we played Manchester United Island Road and they dubbed it off the thing because we're were singing about Jimmy Savile. Right. NOT AFTER THAT. LONG AFTER THAT, Man City went to Man United at Old Trafford and after the fans when uh one player came off, I'm not going to say it cuz you might be listening. It's horrible. Right. >> And his mom was struggling that at that time with with an illness and the Man United fans sung about his mom. Did they dub that out? No, they didn't. Right. And that's how I look at this. It's always now the separate clubs that get singled out for this. Right. Now question is would it be brought to attention if it were Parker? You know what I mean? That that's the question. Now it is it's disgusting. I know where you're coming from and >> it is. There's no other word for it. >> I think there ain't no but I I do think a lot of times when things happen with leads we're jumping on it. >> I'm not so sure. Dan, you're a leads fan. But Dan, if you were standing around the guy who shouted that at Sir Alex, what would your what would your reaction be? Would you be one of them laughing or would you say to the fella, "Get a grip of yourself." >> I'd say that that's disgusting. Of course, disrespect, mate. You know what I mean? But >> Dan, listen, thanks for the call. I appreciate the call. Let's from Liam, who who's a Manchester United fan, I mean Liam, you you like every other Manchester United fan look at Sir Alex Ferguson and think the man walks in water, right? >> Well, of course he does. Thanks for having me on this morning. Um, I didn't even know this actually occurred until I heard you guys say a minute ago and then I was going to ask you what was actually said, but then you played the recording. >> I mean, wow. How low can you go? I mean, is what a what's a loser? >> And it's all right this leads fan coming on now saying all that. That's here or there, you know. Yeah, I do. This is the thing with football. Two points quickly. You do get the odd fans who just like the guy who's made that comment. You can clearly hear he's probably never made a 5 yard pass in his life and he had no idea of just like who he's speaking to. Obviously, it's Ferguson. It's just disgusting. It really is. I mean, >> yeah, >> it's just so long, but it's Lead United. This is what they do. This is who they are. So, well done, Lee. Very classy. >> Yeah, but Liam, I don't think it's fair to generalize like that. Is it really? When you think of it, I've just said, and Sean has been to to lead United on many occasions. Simon talks about how brilliant the atmosphere at Ellen Road. It's a great club, but this one let himself down in front of a group of others. That's what this is about. >> Well, yeah, I get that, but isn't it strange? You're not you hear you're only hearing about apparently Man United fans have been calling out certain situations like that last caller just said you you never see it advertised like this though do you what we're seeing with leads is what you get and I mean this Pratt who's come up and done that yesterday >> this it's going to paint the bad picture for him isn't it obviously we are going to call up and we are going to remind Leads of who they are a bang average Championship club that just about gets to the Premier League up and down up and down up and down maybe they can say that >> Liam you're having your moment and Why not? >> I'm pretty sure we're not agreeing with that. >> I don't think we'll agree with that one after what I've done. But >> Rob, leads fan. Rob, this is your club we're talking about here. You heard Liam there. I take it you'll you'll take that with a pinch of salt. But as regards the moment, it's a fellow fan who decides to have a laugh at Sir Alex's expense. How do you view it? Well, I' I've got to say as a lead fan, um it was absolutely disgusting that anybody could even think about abusing an 84 year old man with a walking stick, >> let alone the man Alex Ferguson. Now I want to take you back as well because when Alex Ferguson received the award at in Leeds the banter that went off between Alex [snorts] Ferguson and the leads fans I think that day he actually realized the respect that he's got from the majority of the leads fans. >> Sure. Sure. >> And also and also when Alex Ferguson was taken ill the amount of leads fans that sent get well messages to Alex Ferguson. Yeah. because the man has massive respect in leads. The banter is a great thing. I love the banter with the Man United fans and what the man United fans having banter back. >> Yeah. >> But please, this was one individual and a couple of dibs around him that lap. Let's not tarnish the rest of us because what Leads United have done to to get the name of Lead United where it should be. >> Yeah. >> We where we're a respected club needs to be recognized [snorts] because we're not like that. >> Well said. Well said. >> I think that's true, Simon, isn't it? It's a great club and they're brilliant fans. >> I I don't think anyone fundamentally is disputing that. previous caller wanted to land his blows about what he thought about Lead United because of the rivalry that they that exist in his mind between Man United and Leads. But there's no doubt I mean Leeds, don't get me wrong, you go to Ellen Road, you know, you're in for a ride with those fans because they're hostile and they're aggressive and they're passionate. But >> I think we commend them on that, wouldn't we? Absolutely. Yeah. Because you want fan bases to be like, "Yeah." Yeah. I think it can be a cauldron in there. I've been there hot and cold. have been there in the Championship as a manager and in the Premier