"I'VE SEEN ENOUGH!" Jason Cundy & Charlie Austin CLASH over Florian Wirtz and "waste of money" claim

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Jason Cundy and Charlie Austin clash over Liverpool's red-card controversy and whether Florian Wirtz is the biggest waste of money in Premier League history

The video first debates whether Liverpool's defeat to Man City was all down to Ryan Gravenberch's red card, whether the manager should have adjusted, and whether Doku or Haaland was the difference. It then focuses on Florian Wirtz, with Jason calling him on course to be the biggest waste of money in Premier League history, Charlie urging patience, and callers split between criticism and saying the "worst signing" claim is too harsh.

Jason Cundy & Charlie Austin open The Sports Bar by looking back at Liverpool's recent performances and critiquing the showings of Florian Wirtz, with fans calling in to weigh in as well. Subscribe: https://youtube.com/c/talkSPORT 🏆 Ready to win? Check out the latest prizes at talkSPORTwin.com Enjoyed this YouTube video? 😍 🖥️ talkSPORT's Website: https://talksport.com/ 📲 talkSPORT's Twitter: https://twitter.com/talkSPORT 📷 talkSPORT's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/talksport/?hl=en 👤 talkSPORT's Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/talkSPORT/ 📱 talkSPORT's Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@talksport ? 🔴 Download the talkSPORT app HERE! - https://talksport.com/apps/ 🔎 Want to see if you feature on our YouTube channel? Check out our Best talkSPORT callers playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFVMnSsi04LGLa9pS9xDvme-Gjmlu2 talkSPORT PremierLeague

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There was a Jamie Carragher mask, of course, and you're a big Liverpool fan. Can we get your thoughts, please, on what happened? Of... Getting spanked... What do you mean, what do you mean well I didn't know exactly what happened don't fence with me of last night are you on about obviously or are you on about the weekend both well the weekend the game changed with the red card right you were you're gonna no no hold on hold on i'm gonna fall out straight away chaz please let's not forget i sent you a message you did you did and said since the red card i'm not the game completely changed right which is true which is true in the last 30 minutes it was just i didn't like what i see i certainly didn't and to say we got all he deserved was is non applicable however it was free nil city win no problem then champions league come liverpool champions league yeah meant to be oh come off it come on you're probably did. Yeah, probably did., yeah,, should have won it.. You can't compare the, what are you doing? What happened on Sunday, though? That's the question. It was a tough one. Was it all about the red card, in your opinion? Yeah, because... And this is my reason why. The way I see Ryan Gravenberg performed Sunday was the Ryan Gravenberg of when Liverpool won the Premier League. I totally agree with that, but he let you down. He let you down. You can't on a yellow card make that challenge on Doku. You can't do it, Chas. Jazz, you can't do it, mate. Come on. Listen, I understand what you're saying. I totally understand what you're saying, right? But you have to stop the attack. You have to stop the attack. He did. Rejo is the problem, because he darts around him first. He gets past him first, and once he's in behind him... Oh, it should have been stopped earlier, by the way. The attack should have been stopped earlier. So a foul? Yeah, a foul. A foul, And you have to take one for the team. But when you've already done a yellow, you may should have been a bit clearer. However, it's not on him. It's not because that next 30 minutes was actually shocking to see. okay let me ask you this question we're going to go back to all your calls and what's happening in Europa and Conference 03717223334 I want to get your thoughts on that just quick you're a big Liverpool fan what happened after that red card did the gaffer make enough changes to affect the game quick enough because within six minutes there's a red card and two goals yeah but the number nine is always a threat and he took the game away scored that's a half chance. I don't want to hear it, Jay, from people. When he scores that goal, that's an unbelievable finish. That is a tough finish. That is a half chance. Let me ask you this. Could he have done more? Your gaffer to make a difference in the midfield? Could he have made changes? You go down to 10 men, grab matches off. We all know that. Could he have made a change to make sure that that scenario didn't appear? Yeah, the possibilities. But where I'm getting you can't put this on the manager. And this is why I'm going... I'm not putting it on manager, I'm just as good as he's done more. But I'm saying no, because that's a half chance what Haaland scores. No, no, no, hold on. No, no, no, no, no. What I'm getting at here is... Potentially. What I'm getting at is, it's all right saying could he have done more brought players on to prevent that? However, that's a half chance. So you're saying we can see two goals in six minutes, but the first goal goes in. That's a half chance goal. As the game goes on, could we have done more to prevent that? Absolutely. What's Frimpong doing for the third goal? Great from Turkey but what's Frimpong doing for the third goal I'm really unsure so going back to my original question could the gaffer have done more at nil-nil I'm not going to let it go Chaz what does he do I'm asking you the question what does he do I'm not asking you I'm not sure I don't think so but what strengthen midfield do something endo put endo in there you're you're a man light in the middle of the park Of course, but you can drop Wurtz back. Wurtz? Yeah, you can drop him back. To do what? You can drop him back in. As a body, to do what? Mate, we don't expect to be sent off and then six minutes be two down. No, you don't. Man City are one of the best I've ever seen at taking the game away from you. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. They took the game away. They do, and they're the best. But because we know that, at that point, could he have done more to ensure that those okay go go four five or four four one do something different to make sure that those spaces don't open up and make sure that city do not take the game away as quickly as they did you don't even know the reason why i think about is because i always go back to that first goal is a half chance it's not an easy chance right it really isn't but you look at and go who comes off okay easy verts endo comes on stiffen up midfield go 4-4-1 that's the that's that's the conversation needs to happen you need to do it straight away but to be fair the Gravenberg sending off that took 3-4 minutes he's got thinking time could he have done something different looking back now if you were him trying to recreate history what would you have done so you've got endo which you're shouting from the rooftops about endo no i'm not shouting no you know you are i'm just giving you an example you're not you know this is i'm giving you an example this is not an example you're shutting this from the rooftop. There's no rooftop. He's had 200 minutes in two seasons, mate. So I'll piss on him here. Gomez. He ain't a midfielder. Listen, it's a desperate situation. I'm not saying it's going to be perfect. When you go down to 10 men, it's It's not perfect. You have to come up with the solution. He's done nothing. He sat on his hands. How many times? No. Sat on his hands, Jazz. How many times have you seen a red card happen and in six minutes you've been 2-0 down? No, City are the best, but we know that we know that and actually at nil-nil the game was actually pretty my frustration is my frustration is of Liverpool is you put Lewis Coomass up front 21 year old come through the academy listen done great and deserves his opportunity however that's a lot of pressure to be put on his shoulders he's done right by the way absolutely I'm not putting this on him I'm I'm just saying, it's a lot of pressure to put on his shoulders. Then you go down to 10. Yeah. But don't think you're going to concede two after six minutes. No, but of course, when you're down to 10 against Men's City, the possibility of Liverpool was pumping them. What do you mean? Liverpool was on the... Pumping them. Liverpool was in a position... Pumping. Before the red card, who was the better team? Second half, Liverpool. Didn't ask that. Before the red I can't say pumping them, mate. Come on, Chaz, come on, mate. Well, okay, we was all over them. Come on, Chaz. Help me out, mate. Help me out. You weren't pumping them. You weren't all over of them it was a fair contest it could have gone either way i'll give you that it could have gone either way right could have gone the difference in the game was the number nine yes or no no No, Doku. No. Doku changed the game. Doku changed the game, Chaz. He changed the game. Harlan scores a half chance. He does. Well then, wait a minute. So that makes it 1-0. Gets a man sent off, creates the first goal, scores the third. I mean, come on, mate. Jay, the number nine, the hardest position in football, scores a half chance, makes it 1-0 and then snowballs. Blinkered, I'm afraid. 03717. I can't believe we started with this, by the way. 037172233344. All your calls on tonight's European action. Palace Bournemouth, Sunderland, Brighton and Celtic. Where are you? 037172233344. You listen to the Sports Bar here on TalkSport with TalkSport Bet. Bet £10, get 100 free spins on BetBass, Football Bonanza. Claim your free TalkSportBet .com slash Sports Bar. New customers only. T's and C's supplies, 18plus, gamblerware .org. Good evening, it's a sports boy on TalkSport. I'm Jason Cullen alongside Charlie Austin still to come. Charlie Austin will tell us why Florian is going to be the biggest waste of money the Premier League has ever seen in history. What do you mean? No, no, no. What do you mean no? No. 3-3-7-1-7-double-2-double-3-double-4. What? He is. He's on course. Chaz, he's on course to be the biggest waste of money ever in Premier League history. Don't argue with that, mate. Do you really believe that? 100 % the biggest waste of money ever in the premier history and the reason because he hasn't what turned up i mean where is he was chas come on mate i know you live all fan right no and help me out here no i understand listen i totally understand exactly what you're saying right i totally understand what you're saying my issue with it is the inflation of where the money is so that's not his problem that the figure was as high as what it was, right? Fine. Fine. I buy into that. Go on. The performances are there, but they're not... They're not there, Chaz. At times, they are. They're not Chaz. But everybody expects them to do everybody they're not matey where are they where are they you can't become a bad player overnight I'm not saying you can but I'm just saying he's not built for the Premier League there is no way from invert it's going to make it the Premier I've seen enough I've made my mind up I've seen enough I think I have Chas Chas have you seen enough I think it's the world You want it to happen As a Liverpool You're now saying the will is greater than the belief. Are you in denial? It's not that I'm in denial. I think I want more than ever for him to kick on and be what we all expected right right okay I've seen him I can and I know how good he can be but he cannot control a game he cannot dominate a game he cannot add to a game there are flashes I've seen enough Chaz. Chaz, I've seen enough of him. But has Liverpool done enough to help him? Okay, what more could they have done? You blame the club now? No, no, no. I'm not blaming the club. I'm just saying I want him to succeed at the football club. A serious amount of money obviously they've paid. The expectation is for him to kick on and perform. Everything now is all about stats, right? Goals and assists. Well that helps. And the two things in front of your face, which are called eyes. What about those two? I get the eye test. I totally get that. Does everybody expect more from him? Absolutely. Is time running out for him? yes I'm going to say yes it is because of the money that come but that's not on him what's on him is when he gets on the pitch and is he performing good enough for Liverpool Football Club no he's not so agree with but you've got to wait. Okay. For me, as a Liverpool fan... Give me a date. So now Thursday, October 15th. No, you have to go till the end of the season, Jeff, as a Liverpool fan. Because you're going two years. Because everybody he says bedding in time bedding in time if we get to the end of this season and it hasn't kicked off for him now we've got a problem not at this moment definitely not at the 15th October, I do not agree with you. I'm playing with you, but there is definitely a concern. There's no doubt about that. We're not at Halloween yet and all of a sudden the second season we're going where is Florian Furtz? Keep the course coming. 0-3, 7-1, 7-1, 2-2, 3-3, 4-4. double three, double four but first we've been discussing Liverpool and their season so far. Liverpool boss Andoni Iriola has been heaping praise on Bacala. I don't blame him right? Fair enough. He got a hat-trick against Lass last night in the Champions and has insisted there's more to come from the winger. I think he's still very early, especially for him that hasn't played any minute in pre-season. He's kind of...has been doing the pre-season in the first games without almost the official games. And it's always remarkable because to score three goals in a Champions League game is not a lot of players can say they've done it, so it's something nice for for him, but I think the best thing is that we can feel him with confidence on the ball apart from the goals, straight away from the beginning of the game you You could feel that he was confident on going in one-to-one situations, attacking the spaces. And that's his strengths. And only Iriola, the Liverpool gaffer. It's never a bad thing when someone scores a hat trick, Chaz, right? Never a bad thing, right? And a new signing is even better, right? Settle himself, get his feet under the table, make sure he can do that in the Premier League. Champions League one thing against Lask, right? Lask were terrible, right and Liverpool dumb to last what they should do to them is that fair yeah is that fair yeah if Liverpool 1-2-0 3-1 it'd be disappointing right 6-3 but what I'm getting that is the six goals Barkola getting the hat trick maybe that was a confidence game that he needed and my the reason why I say it is because on Sunday you didn't see it I expected more I wanted him to go at the fullback a bit more when he got the ball. So let's just hope getting the three goals in the Champions League really puts that into... It's never a bad thing. Never a bad thing, right? But when you play so much importance on a Champions League game it's like you're picking up crumbs against Lask you look at the crumbs and the crumbs are theirs feeding off crumbs fair enough who's feeding off crumbs. Oh, by cola? No, of course it's never a bad thing. I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Oh, confidence game. Of course it's a confidence game, but it's like they're crumbs. He's picking up... No, no, no, no. Is it not? I've got it wrong have I? Listen, he scored a hat-trick in the Champions League. Oh, come on, do me a And now... No, no, no. He scored a hat-trick in the Champions League and now it's about proofing to put him when it comes to the Premier League, right? We want to see a bit more from what I think looking towards him is him adapting to the Premier League to the fact of no hear me out here no I don't say anything just breathing is when he played for PSG they obviously have all the ball they play teams that are not as good as them clearly and the intensity is not there where the Premier League you can't take your foot off the pedal so now he needs to adapt to that and getting three goals in the Champions League is a massive push towards him setting into England. I'm not disagreeing with you, but the same conversation has to happen about Verts as well. Say the same thing about votes but he's what 18 months into his time now yeah a little less than that but yeah but we want i want to see more i think every liverpool fan wants to see more but cola's got he's got free past this season but you know what do you know what the frustrating bit is what about all the talk through international break of first with germany clop and i think that was the frustration a lot yeah but i think that's the frustrating bit as a liverpool fan you're thinking he's going to come back new lease of life etc etc that's not built for the premier league chairs he's not he's not it's hard to is is hard to i'm not i'm i'm i'm i'm not being cruel here but when that challenge right now everyone says Elliot Anderson right different players but that challenge on the edge of the box we all saw in the first half where he goes through the balls there 50-50 Vert's trying to nick it I said this last night he wins the ball but he leaves something on him he wins the ball and he knows I'm not only am I getting there first you're trying to nick it and I'm going to go through you in the ball Vert stays down looking for a foul and that's the frustration bit because in the Premier League you're not getting a foul and players are going to constantly pick up on that what you're saying there not just because it's you but people are going to be picking it up saying right if we can get stuck into him he's going to go quiet and that is the frustrating bit he cost a fortune and we expect more if it comes to the end of the season and we're still getting the same turnout then we've got a big problem let me ask you this it's a yes or no answer and i'm going to put you right under the gun mine mine is absolutely no will he make it in the Premier League from what I've seen so far I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to back here and say no there's not enough because what do you see what what do you see but I'm going to go as a fan wise is look I get the argument give him time I totally get that and understand that and every Liverpool fan should have that in their mind but the truth is right here right now what we seen the evidence is presented in front of us there is no evidence to tell me that he is going to be that play maybe right player wrong time 116 million I expect you expect more and we haven't seen it that's the frustrating bit let's go and speak to Paul who is a Liverpool fan who's dialed 03717223344 P-Dog welcome to the show evening boys how are you? hello matey what do you want to say oh jason it pains me to agree with you but verts just hasn't got it for the premier league he hasn't got the physicality he doesn't have the speed it's just disappointing game after game after game after game waiting for him to do something that lights the blue touch paper and it just isn't there i think the frustrate the frustrating bit of it is the expectation because he's come with the money and the money is there and you can't get away from it that's not his problem but the light is on him and he's come and it's just not happened so far that is the biggest thing yep i'd be honest with the chart i don't care about the money it's the player i don't care what he costs he just doesn't add anything to the team we are filling a shirt with a what has ended up being a very expensive body that he's basically We added nothing to our team. Can I ask you both a question, right? So we've seen Koumas come through, right? And I actually think he's done very well, actually. He's added something in a tough position where a supporting cast isn't around him if he had come through the youth team um verts and they'd been in this position a little bit like some of the players that have come through i mean trent whatever we want to use he would know if this conversation would not be happening the fact it is because of the money if he's come for the youth team everyone will say take him at the team rest him let him adjust to the tempo of the premier league but he's not come for the youth team jason to be honest if he come through the youth team he wouldn't be getting a game is he better than harvey elliot i don't see what he brings different to harvey elliott if i'm honest i don't it's just so frustrating it is there's a do you think do you think they've dropped liverpool have dropped an absolute clangor have they have they gone in listen i speak to kevin hatchard are we on the sports bar and not just us on talks ball we speak to a lot of european football experts and kevin hatchard watching no doubt is your generational talent i don't i don't over in Germany when they won the Bundesliga, right? With Leverkusen. That player does not exist right here, right now. No, I... He's not... Wait a minute. I think it does exist right hear me out the Premier League and the Bundesliga is not the same that's the difference it's not and they've paid the money and thought it could happen and it certainly hasn't it's a frustrating time and again if he was come through the academy I agree with Pete like he wouldn't be there let's go and speak to Manny Knight and Rich who's a Liverpool fan apparently right Rich good evening welcome to the show I can't eat a leg when you there we go rich rich you're a man united fan why are you throwing up to talk about liverpool Right. Stop it. What? Let me