"LOST CAUSE!" Liverpool Fan SLAMS Florian Wirtz after ANOTHER average performance!

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talkSPORT debate Liverpool v Brentford: red card changed the game as Wirtz is heavily criticised

This video discusses Liverpool's game against Brentford, focusing on how the red card changed the match and on Florian Wirtz's Premier League form. The overall takeaway is that Brentford threw away a good position, Liverpool capitalised, and Wirtz is under heavy criticism for a lack of physicality and influence, though one voice defends him.

Jamie O'Hara and Jason Cundy react to Liverpool's nervy 2-1 victory over Brentford in the Premier League. Subscribe: https://youtube.com/c/talkSPORT?subconfirmation=1 🏆 Ready to win? Check out the latest prizes at talkSPORTwin.com Enjoyed this YouTube video? 😍 🖥️ talkSPORT's Website: https://talksport.com/ 📲 talkSPORT's X/Twitter: https://x.com/talkSPORT 📷 talkSPORT's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/talksport/?hl=en 👤 talkSPORT's Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/talkSPORT/ 📱 talkSPORT's Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@talksport ? 🔴 Download the talkSPORT app HERE! - https://talksport.com/apps/ 🔎 Want to see if you feature on our YouTube channel? Check out our Best talkSPORT callers playlist: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFVMnSsi04LGLa9pS9xDvme-Gjmlu2 talkSPORT premierleague liverpool

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Hello boys. All right, mate. >> John, how you feeling? Because you had Liverpool on the ropes and you threw it away. >> Literally in a nutshell, it's really disappointing. It's literal saying of a game of two half. I don't know how we've gone in a more than a competitive decision being Yam whether you want to call it like it is or it isn't. You just give the referee a decision. You just don't do it. >> It's a wreck card, mate. What's he doing? What is he doing? Oh, it's a It's just finding it all out the window really. I say we're more interested in that game. Could have got a result out of it and and now now we go into the next game with two men down, you know, in the center of park. We played well started majority of our games. Now we got we got players to do it, but it's not an ideal scenario. >> No. And he [clears throat] had to sit in that dressing room and he would have heard the cheers for level here probably been watching the game somewhere. He would have been. And to feel like you let your side down. What just an idiotic decision. I know some people might think it's not red. I'm with Jay. I think it is. You don't stick your head in someone's face. He's gone down. He's made the most of it. Who cares? Don't make Don't give the referee a decision to make. >> It's like it's it's not even like a confrontation. It's not even like they're having like a a proper Barney, you know, like you can understand it sometimes if you completely lose your head, red missed, whatever. It was just nothing. Like out of nothing, like just >> and then he just cost his team three points. It just the most ridiculous decision. and Keith Andrews must be so fuming because Brenford this season, John, you're a good side. You could get European football. And it's moments like that where you go at the end of the season, you go, we've thrown that thrown that away. They were there for the taking Liverpool. >> We knew we've been on a um we haven't lost yet. That's one way to go and do it. It's so disappointing to go and do it in that manner when we were playing the game really well. You're right. We started the season brilliantly. Looking really, really good. And you like we can grow like we did on last season. We got so close to going to the competition which I think will be perfect for us. >> And yeah, it's just it's just such a shame. Hopefully we just take the game for what it is, move on to the next kind of game, sharpen up and and try and get a little bit more discipline in them scenarios as well. Do it again. >> Well, he finished with nine men. >> Great edit by Louis Potter as well by the way. Great goal. >> Potter doing well. >> He looks good. >> I mean it's it's >> All right, John. Thanks for your call. >> Thanks. Um it's one of those games that you they they threw it away, right? And who knows what would have happened 111 11 might come. We never know. One thing we do know absolutely handed the advantage to Liverpool. Absolutely handed the and fair play to them. They took it. >> They absolutely grabbed it. Isach's goal really well taken goal. I mean he controls it, pushes with his stunts and in one movement lashes it with his left foot. It's a really well taken goal. >> Yeah. >> Good afternoon fellas. How are you? Hello mate. >> All right Joe. Um happy with that in the end. You get a result? Look, a win's a win. So, you've got to take it. It's a tough place to go at any time of the season. Brenford, you take the three points, but we um we made that work than we had to, I suppose. >> Well, I think the red card changed the game. >> That's it completely. The red card that that that's it because before that we were completely misfiring. Um if if it's 11 v1 11 on the pitch the way the first half went, I'm not sure we'd either got a they've got the three-pointers. I'm not sure cuz they were playing well Brenford. Um so it it did I agree it completely changed the game but um you've got to have that fortune on your side sometimes and and we certainly did today. >> Also when that good fortune goes your way, you've got to capitalize on it. You've got to make that count. And you did. And and that's all you can do. It's not your fault he was an idiot. You know, if if [laughter] if fortune goes your way, capitalize. and they they're the ones that'll be kicking themselves because going into halftime just for Halime you're looking at Brenford they look comfortable they look very comfortable Liverpool look like they're kind of running out of ideas already but when you go 10 v1 11 how can we because we've seen it recently right going down to 10 men doesn't necessarily make it a foregone conclusion you're going to pick up three points >> we saw it last weekend >> just changes the style that you play >> it it changes and credit to Liverpool they found a way this that goal it's a big goal for him that >> good goal >> it's a big goal for him that yeah and they capitalized. >> It is definitely. Yeah. I think with Isak as well, it's having them back obviously because you missed them last week against City. Um I mean you had something different with Kumas with the pressing but it's still in games like that you need a goal scorer. You said you missed him last week. >> Um so I mean >> about for Verts mate I was on Verts watch again. >> Yeah it's uh >> it's painful. >> Yeah it's not good you know boys. It's it's really not. I I've trying to give every time I come on and and speak about him to other people, I try and give them the benefit of the doubt. But do you know what it it's >> I've seen enough. I've said this. I think I've seen enough. >> Yeah. I feel like we're chasing a lost cause with them. Unfortunately, >> it can't be a lost cause. What do you mean? You paid 120 million for him. He can't be a lost cause. >> No, no, no, no, no, no. What I mean don't mean the price tag. I mean lost cause in people having or get people are getting on his back now when people would say, "Oh, give him time. Give him time." But it's this what what we've given 14 months and he's not done anything. >> Do you know what? This is a massive six months for him. These going into into the back end of the season, what are Liverpool look like? Well, who are they? And if he has any if he's going to be the player that Liverpool fans want him to be, he has to influence games more. He's got to be the player that influences games more. And I I I just think physically, look, he's done all right midweek, but listen, Liverpool, you know, he should win midweek, right? and and that's that's where his best games look from memory last season we're were actually in the Champions League, but I'm not convinced physically the Premier he's cut out for the Premier League and and I might be wrong but I'm not I think I've seen enough I think I've seen enough to say yeah he might be a he might be a dead robber mate agree he might be mate he might be >> dead rubber >> yeah in the Premier League. Yeah, I think so. >> Yeah, I agree, boys. It's it's when you get the games like if you look at Wednesday, there's last like they give Liverpool space to create and get teams against Brenford where for 45 minutes at say the first half they're robust and you're having to make your own chances that the game doesn't suit him like that. He's not he's not built enough. He's not physical enough for the for the league, I don't think. So, yeah, it is a big six months for him, but like it's uh >> all right. He's got got to reach to a big level. Jay Jay, I'm back. You there? >> Back. You're back. Go on. You're talking about Florian verts, mate. You know. >> Yeah. Yeah. I was I've not got the stats in front of me, Jay. But what's what's what we saying? He's had what 50 games almost now. >> I don't know how many he's got, but what's what's your what's the point you're going to make? >> My point My point is I feel the only player that's trying to break break the lines of a couple of passes. And with Isak, when he's fit, when we got to get that home back when there's that again, I feel like he's still the player for Liverpool. Don't get me wrong, >> he's playing number 10. It's his job to break lines. He's That's his job. It's where he plays. He plays in between the lines. So, he's going to get the ball in that area. And when he does get in that area, don't do anything with it. >> But, but Jay, he he plays then passes forward more than most more than most players in the Premier League. If you look at the stats, he's always trying to play forward. He's not one of these Elliot Addersonsons. He's not one of these players that want to go sidewards. And >> he's playing number 10. >> He's playing number 10. Of course, he's meant to He's meant to play them passes, but he doesn't do enough. >> He doesn't affect games. >> Doesn't affect the games. He doesn't do enough in the game. >> Does. Yeah. >> I'm watching it. And look, today, all right, second half, it's easy for Liverpool. Of course, you're going to have, you know, loads of touches on the Well, they're down to 10 men, but still I'm not convinced he does anything. If I if I'm if I'm Florian Verts and Brenford go down to 10 men, I'm rubbing my hands together thinking, "Right, here we go. Get me on the ball. I'm going to run the show." And he come and and he and he doesn't. >> All right, you win the game. It's a great finish from >> get hold of the ball again though, Jay. >> What? >> He's always looking for the ball. He did it second half. That that's that's that's that should be that that should be a prerequisite that that be that that comes as standard, >> right? My my the problem I have with Vertz is is that he does not do enough to so for example, right? The first Cherokee last weekend, right? Right. You boys Cherokee affects games, >> especially when it went down to 10 men, >> right? Affects games has an influence on the game. I'm not convinced. >> Watch him. Watch him again. Watch him against PSG. What was it like against PS in the wheat jerky? Non-existent. >> Oh, I mean that that's not that's you trying to defend Vert by using that as an example. >> I'm I'm Let's talk about Vert. >> You brought you No, no, no, no, no, no. You brought Church in that situation. >> No, because he played him last weekend. That's why I brought that up. It was It's relative. I I brought him up because it's relative. You played him last weekend. All right. That's the reason I brought that up. Right. What I'm saying is whenever I watch I have never come away from watching Floren inverts at any point you might be able to tell me differently. You might have seen games where throw in virt come away going there he is there he is there's that player there's the reason we spent that m it it's there though you can see it in games when you watch it from the can name the game name the game then name the game >> second half today >> really >> yes always ran the game >> he ran the game >> no not run the game the But he's all he's the one trying to unlock the >> I think you know what if you're paying 12 million pound for a player and and I don't like price tags but you know he's come in he's meant to be world class about price tag J but >> I know >> we've paid it at the end we paid it at the end of the day Jake 2020 million now is what 60 million back in your day something like that 50 years even still if you're paying 60 million for a player back in my day right >> now. Yeah, he's I've got to watch him and go, "Yeah, he's a player." >> Like I don't like and I don't watch Floren Verts and go he's the best player on the football pitch. He's the best player on the pitch. I don't watch you ever. >> Let me let me ask you this, Jordan. Right. If he come through the youth team, >> right? Do you think he'd still be in the team? >> Would he still be in the team? If he come through the academy a little bit like Kumas has come through, right? >> No, but do you do you think he'd still be in the team? >> I don't know whether he would be. That's the I I'm not convinced that he would be I don't think we'll be talking about people be saying >> how's he still in there? That's the conversation. I don't think it'll be why is he not starting? >> Potentially. Potentially. Would you would you would you say dropping him to the bench and giving a bit of a rocket up the backside is going to help a player like that? >> I'm not I'm not sure that's any kind. >> I I just >> You got to suffer. I >> I I on on a professional level for him. He looks like that that he he can't deal with the physicality and the pace of the Premier League. He looks like the game is >> we can't be talking about the physicality side of the game when you've got you've got players like Palmer for your lot. He's not physical player. >> No, but but but but I don't >> He knows how to ride tackles over the Premier League. He knows cuz he's he's grown up with it. >> Zola Zola dealt with it, right? I'm talking about my team, right? Zola was a big Hazard. Hazard could deal. I'm not convinced. And the challenge last and I can use last weekend's game as as an example. Anderson put a challenge in on Vertz to on the edge of the box in the first half and the ball was there. He's tried to nick it and he's gone through him and he's won the ball and he's and then first thing Anderson did was give that get yourself up. Vert is rolling around.